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Post by RUBICON19 on Jul 13, 2006 6:11:06 GMT -5
Okay guys. I am 2.5 weeks out. All is going pretty smoothly. I am eating very low carbs with a carb up every third day. I am very depleted even with the carb ups, but this is fine with me. My question is about my last week carb load. Could you give me your opinion on how many carbs I can stuff into myself and how many days I could do it for? Much appreciated.  |
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Post by RUBICON19 on Jul 17, 2006 6:24:46 GMT -5
Tim?
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Post by Tim Wescott on Jul 17, 2006 6:54:43 GMT -5
Randy,I`m getting ready to head for the gym,I`ll post my thoughts on this when I hobble back !!  |
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Post by Massiv on Jul 17, 2006 10:14:05 GMT -5
Randy,
At 2.5 weeks out I was @ 81 grams of carbs per day. Sources was oatmeal, baked potatoe and supplements for pre workout and during workout. Pounded the water like it was going out of style.
The last week I depleted Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. I dropped carb intake to 30 grams per day. Loading was Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. I loaded by taking in 50 grams of carbs every three hours. Sources was baked potatoes and Apple Cinnamon Rice Cakes. The reason for that flavor is that it has no sodium in them. Pounded wated down up to Friday evening @ 09:00pm then cut it off.
Hope this helps.
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Post by Intensity on Jul 17, 2006 11:34:41 GMT -5
Okay guys. I am 2.5 weeks out. All is going pretty smoothly. I am eating very low carbs with a carb up every third day. I am very depleted even with the carb ups, but this is fine with me. My question is about my last week carb load. Could you give me your opinion on how many carbs I can stuff into myself and how many days I could do it for? Much appreciated. First, as you know, it depends on a lot of thing: Your weight, metabolism, how many carbs up days you do and HOW DEPLETED you are when you start! Randy, i found something with the carb up process: Dont be too much affraid of eating! For sure, i wouldnt recommand anything too drastic, but you cant ruin you physique by eating 40-60g of carbs every 2,5 hours for 2 days prior the contest! But on the other hand, i've seen a lot of guy depleted and flat by not eating enough during the carbs up period! And YOU WONT GAIN FAT during those 2 days... So from the little i know about you, i would say that a 3 days (including saturday) carbs up of 45g of carbs (half complexe half simple) every 2,5 hours would be fine! PS: When i said "nothing too drastic" i also meant: For carbs depletion, sodium intake, water intake, etc... that's my best advice to you. |
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Post by Tim Wescott on Jul 17, 2006 12:22:23 GMT -5
You typically store about 200 grams of carbohydrates in the muscles and another 90 grams in the liver. Your liver stores are used as fuel for the brain and typically remain untouched during times of muscular distress. Since 200 grams is typical,I see no reason to do what some guys on the boards do by taking in 500-800 grams over 3 days loading,unless they are literally starved to near death,or taking insulin which they more than likely are. I personally do not go too high,because I am "carb sensitive" and get smoothed out easily. During my prep, I typically eat very low carbs, and sometimes do 3 days of zero carbs,so when I deplete,it is not a drastic measure,loading, for me personally, entails eating baked potatoes,rice cakes,and water every 2-3 hours,and constantly monitoring how I look in the mirror to ensure that I don`t spill over. Better to be a bit flat,than smooth from a spillover!! In your case Randy,you do quite well eating carbs which is evidenced by your insane pizza consumption!! LOL I would follow Mo`s advice,it`s not too high,and not drastic by any means,yet if you are truly depleted it should help you fill out a lot. Don`t forget,for the most part we are depleted throughout the entire diet due to lowered carbs,and calories,so any decent amount of carbs you eat during a carb-up will help to fill you out. Hard to guesstimate it since we don`t know you personally,but Mos recommendation is not excessive, and should work quite well. To reiterate,monitor how you look constantly, and be careful not to go too carb crazy or all of your hard work will be for nothing. As I said,better to undercarb just a bit since you have no prior contest experience to go to use as a referance. On the day of the contest,I eat a couple of jars of baby food sweet potatoes,small amount of chicken,a baked potato or a yam,and a a tiny bit of water to wash it down. At the show,before pre-judging, I have a couple of Reeses PB Cups,I also eat some rice cakes if a lot of time drags by which is often the case. Point is,to eat very light,before I hit the stage I may have a few Tbsp. of honey or jelly to get blood flowing,with a 1/2 tsp. of salt and a sip of water. Nothing is set in stone and I vary things according to how I look...............one thing is certain,no two carb ups are the same no matter if you do everything entirely identical as the time before. Definately no science to it and it can be a hit or miss affair,thast`s why I advocate constantly checking out the old mirror to see how you look. |
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Post by RUBICON19 on Jul 17, 2006 12:29:49 GMT -5
This is all GREAT info guys. I ma VERY depleted as of now. Been low carbing for a while as most of you know. I am actually planning to eat a little more carbs this week than all the prior weeks during my diet. Just to kind of fill out before the hardcore depletion next week. Each time I eat a bit of carbs now, I look fuller and the scale is going back up. Feels good. I do wish I got leaner, but what are ya gonna do. I guess next time around I will stop eating pizza and ice cream a bit earlier in my prep. BUT it was fun!!! ;D
Now , what about protein during the carb up?
When did you cut water? I know you all drank alot up until Fri night I believe...
Mo?
Tim?
Massiv?
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Post by Massiv on Jul 17, 2006 12:40:34 GMT -5
I drank water up to 9:00pm the night before the show. Next time I may cut it a little sooner, but that seemed to work well for me.
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Post by Tim Wescott on Jul 17, 2006 12:52:35 GMT -5
Randy,I don`t count my carbs during a carb-up, but I just estimated them to be between approximately 180-200 gms,usully the 180 or less,you should be fine following Mos recommendation,and safe also, since it`s not too high at all. Can`t stress enough that you absoulutely do not want to spill over and have water trapped between the muscle and your skin. OK,now that I have obsessed on that enough (for now anyway) protein should be kept very low......some eliminate it all together,but I think it is wrong to do so. I eat a baked potato(30-33gms. of carbs) ,along with 2-3 oz. chicken,5-6 times per day..............usually 5x a day when carbing up. Eat only chicken after you drop sodium, if you are indeed dropping sodium, as most other protein sources contain it to some degree. Water, I keep extremely high right up until Friday night before the contest..........decreasing water in stages like some do is a bad idea. A lot of guys go 1 gal.,drop to 1/2 gal. the next day,drop to 32 oz. the next day,then stop drinking water entirely. Bad move, as this will trigger the hormone aldosterone which actually makes you retain water as a survival mechanism,so keep it extremely high,then stop at Fri. night assuming your show is on Saturday. So protein very low,water very high...........more than you ever drank before if possible before you stop.........you`ll continue pissing it out and than some more along with it, and hopefully wake up dry and tight.........best case scenario anyway. More water in = more water out!! I used to never drink on show day,but just sipped and spit to moisten my mouth,nowadays I do take in very tiny amounts,you need it for various reasons but nothing excessive just to be safe. I`m a big beleiver in eating very light the last week out to keep the waist from looking bloated. Eric Brugh,who posts here as EBA84,ate like 30 waffles for his carb up when we did the NABBA Nats last year,he looked great,but if it was me,I`d be bloated and looking like a GH gut monster!! ;D |
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Post by Tim Wescott on Jul 17, 2006 12:56:24 GMT -5
Massiv,9 PM or before is good!! Oh yeah Randy,drop all protein shakes and replace with solid food as this will help keep the metabolism elevated. And as far as the pizza and ice cream go,next time use cans of tuna and use your trick your mind into thinking that you`re eating pizza or ice cream !! LOL |
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Post by RUBICON19 on Jul 17, 2006 13:02:35 GMT -5
Thanks alot guys.
Now, what if I use Traxatone and dandilion? Should I start those on Wed even though water is high?
I drink 2 gallons of water per day now, so go to 3 or should 2 be good?
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Post by Tim Wescott on Jul 17, 2006 13:11:34 GMT -5
Never used either diuretic,but I would increase water if you possibly can!!
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Post by RUBICON19 on Jul 17, 2006 13:31:41 GMT -5
Never used either diuretic,but I would increase water if you possibly can!! Okay. Thanks Tim. I have used both along with high water before with good results, so.... Thanks a whole lot...... I am sure I will be shooting more questions your way.. |
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Post by masterschamp on Jul 17, 2006 13:51:15 GMT -5
Randy,
This is what I typically do.......... on the Wednesday before the show I'll take in 150 grams, Thursday 125, and Friday it's 100, all mainly in the form of sweet poatato, with constant monitoring in the mirror. Morning of the show, I have 4 oz ground beef, 1 whole egg, and 2 rice cakes with Polander's spread ( I like seedless strawberry), and I'm good to go. I know this doesn't sound like much but you have to remember, that for the previous 9-10 weeks, I've been on 30 grams per day. I've always ended up very full and vascular...if I would take in more I am sure I would spill over.
Keith
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Post by RUBICON19 on Jul 17, 2006 13:57:29 GMT -5
Thanks Keith... I guess I will just go by feel and the mirror. If the mirror says eat more, I will eat more and visa versa.
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Post by RUBICON19 on Jul 17, 2006 19:35:43 GMT -5
Just want to say a BIG Thanks to Tim, Massiv, Mo, Keith, for all your input. It very important...... ;D
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Post by RUBICON19 on Jul 18, 2006 13:48:57 GMT -5
Okay guys. I am 2.5 weeks out. All is going pretty smoothly. I am eating very low carbs with a carb up every third day. I am very depleted even with the carb ups, but this is fine with me. My question is about my last week carb load. Could you give me your opinion on how many carbs I can stuff into myself and how many days I could do it for? Much appreciated. First, as you know, it depends on a lot of thing: Your weight, metabolism, how many carbs up days you do and HOW DEPLETED you are when you start! Randy, i found something with the carb up process: Dont be too much affraid of eating! For sure, i wouldnt recommand anything too drastic, but you cant ruin you physique by eating 40-60g of carbs every 2,5 hours for 2 days prior the contest! But on the other hand, i've seen a lot of guy depleted and flat by not eating enough during the carbs up period! And YOU WONT GAIN FAT during those 2 days... So from the little i know about you, i would say that a 3 days (including saturday) carbs up of 45g of carbs (half complexe half simple) every 2,5 hours would be fine! PS: When i said "nothing too drastic" i also meant: For carbs depletion, sodium intake, water intake, etc... that's my best advice to you. Mo. You say half complex and half simple. Do you mean in each meal or alternating? |
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Post by RUBICON19 on Jul 20, 2006 10:21:44 GMT -5
What happens if you start to spill over? I am afraid I will, as I am not good with large amounts of carbs over long periods of time.
See my original plan was to just hit one meal on Friday night of filet, sweet potato, oats, wine.. and then just nibble on these things on Saturday after a small meat and egg breakfast. Then a candy bar before hitting the stage.
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Post by Tim Wescott on Jul 20, 2006 10:32:13 GMT -5
As I stated earlier in this thread,better to be undercarbed and a bit flat than to have spillover.
If you think you look good,just eat light,I think a big carbup is overated as it is hard to perfect.
A lot of people these days do not do a traditional carbup.
At any rate,carbing up is not going to make a huge difference unless you overdo it then it`s catastrophic.........stay on the safe side.
Most of the times I`ve carbed up for a contest,I did not get the great results I`ve heard others speak of so I no longer go crazy with it.
If you are lean,eat light,and give `em hell onstage would be the best advice I could offer.
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Post by RUBICON19 on Jul 20, 2006 10:45:53 GMT -5
Thanks Tim. I am just a bit different than most. I have always done a lower carb, higher fat diet than most and I use small car ups made up of mainly junk food. I honestly look better after a meal at Wendy's than potato's and rice cakes. Strange, but true. I see alot of people refering to this as "S" Loading... as if it is something new. Its been around since the Anabolic diet and maybe even before....
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