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Post by fit on Feb 24, 2008 12:14:22 GMT -5
Think of it this way; you like steak do you? Well, you wouldn't eat JUST steak all day every day because you like it Well... YOU would... ;D
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Post by mrky03 on Feb 24, 2008 12:25:49 GMT -5
ANY program produces big, small, strong or weak guys. How do we know that the Max-OT program wasn't the results of a steroid regime just kicking in...so the results were that much more exacerbated? Sorry, I've NEVER used steroids! ;D Who said I was referring to you? In actuality I was talking about Skip LaCour, Jeff Willet, or other guys you see in ads being proponents of a certain way of training. Not feeling guilty are we MrKy? ;D Surely you jest! ;D
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Post by youngblood on Feb 24, 2008 15:46:03 GMT -5
Think of it this way; you like steak do you? Well, you wouldn't eat JUST steak all day every day because you like it Well... YOU would... ;D Not even I would do that! I love steak, but I also love hamburgers too!!! ;D
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Post by mrky03 on Feb 24, 2008 18:48:36 GMT -5
#focus3hy# Well, now that we've totally hi jacked Lux's thread.... Heres the form for lateral raises I was talking about Sorry bout all this Lux, we're just having some fun!
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Post by RUBICON19 on Feb 25, 2008 6:10:21 GMT -5
Great quote from Dante..
"j) No matter what the method someone uses to gain super strength gains-it’s imperative they do so. Again if you put someone out on a deserted island with 135LBS of weights he can superset, giant set, high rep, superslow etc etc squats, deadlifts and benches to his hearts delight...the sad story is his gains will quickly come to a halt because his limiting factor is the amount of strength he will gain. He has 135LBS to work with. You take that same guy on a deserted island and give him squats deadlifts, and benches and an unlimited weight supply that he constantly pushes, in 5 years I'll show you a big Gilligan."
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Post by youngblood on Feb 25, 2008 10:13:58 GMT -5
And that does not factor in time under tension either. The quotes theory is correct, but the idea is flawed.
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Post by RUBICON19 on Feb 25, 2008 14:31:08 GMT -5
And that does not factor in time under tension either. The quotes theory is correct, but the idea is flawed. He mentions TUT many other places. That was just a small quote that makes sense.. There are many ways to skin a cat. I just think that some are more straight forward than others. The point is that getting stronger over time will lead to a larger physique. With this being said, it is the most efficient way to grow and see progress. So it does work. We must agree on this. No one can say that it does not work. If it aint broke, then....
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Post by RUBICON19 on Feb 25, 2008 14:33:33 GMT -5
So why would I not focus on one style of training? Progressive overload??
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Post by RUBICON19 on Feb 25, 2008 14:37:08 GMT -5
If a guy only had a BB and lots of plates would you say that he could never get his shoulders to their genetic potential? He would need to do side lats and cables and machines and drops and etc.... to get them to their largest ever? I think one would do just fine pressing away until the cows come home..
I have a buddy who is a natty and weighs in at about 250-260. He does NOTHING but compound movements for strength. NO variety whatsoever. He calls gyms "Chrome and fern!" Only one exercise per BP for 1-5 sets, once per week. This guy is a HOUSE and stronger than a bull. His arms are huge and he doesn't even do them directly..
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Post by Lux on Feb 25, 2008 16:37:10 GMT -5
I'm not too fussed on the hijacking, i like the way this thread has sparked up some interesting opinions. We can all share our thoughts and experiences and maybe even learn a thing or 2 from each other I'm currently taking a deload week as i was feeling a bit beat up towards the end of last week. All i will be doing this week is 2 full body workouts. Todays was as follows: squat SLDL palms facing chins dips abs All for just one set and nowhere near usual working weights As of next week i will be using alternating heavy and medium weeks in my 4 days split
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Post by mrky03 on Feb 25, 2008 17:31:48 GMT -5
Sounds like a plan Lux!
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Post by mrky03 on Feb 25, 2008 17:33:49 GMT -5
Great quote from Dante.. "j) No matter what the method someone uses to gain super strength gains-it’s imperative they do so. Again if you put someone out on a deserted island with 135LBS of weights he can superset, giant set, high rep, superslow etc etc squats, deadlifts and benches to his hearts delight...the sad story is his gains will quickly come to a halt because his limiting factor is the amount of strength he will gain. He has 135LBS to work with. You take that same guy on a deserted island and give him squats deadlifts, and benches and an unlimited weight supply that he constantly pushes, in 5 years I'll show you a big Gilligan." #aiagree4zo# #goodpost4pw# Could not agree more!
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Post by youngblood on Feb 25, 2008 18:38:36 GMT -5
He mentions TUT many other places. That was just a small quote that makes sense.. There are many ways to skin a cat. I just think that some are more straight forward than others. The point is that getting stronger over time will lead to a larger physique. With this being said, it is the most efficient way to grow and see progress. So it does work. We must agree on this. No one can say that it does not work. If it aint broke, then.... Please, post a link and/or the full article. I would like to look at it. I'm sorry Rubi, but you can't post some aspect of an article, and leave out some of the important issues! This is where misinformation and "facts" can get skewed. I'm just saying. If he mentioned TUT in there, I may not have brought that issue up. Now, for the italicized text above.... What kind of strength are you/we speaking of? Absolute strength, where it's a 1RM type thing? Or growing which is a different type of strength/muscle fiber that is being targeted altogether? Don't mean to sound like I'm on a >>>> #smileyonsoapbox4jy# ... I just like to know certain aspects of what is being discussed so I can form an opinion and/or rebuttal of my own.
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Post by RUBICON19 on Feb 25, 2008 20:49:04 GMT -5
SEE BELOWYou sure about that? Dorian with his torn parts? How about "Glutezilla" Tommi Thorvidsen and his torn parts along with form that would make Ronnie Coleman cringe. The best thing to do, is not ONE thing, but many things. Don't pump. Don't go heavy. Don't go to failure, but do go till you can't stop. Do any and none of the above. I am positive YB. Dont know Tommi. Dorian had pretty good form, but was NEVER actually that strong. Ronnie was one of the strongest BBers as well as biggest. His form was terrible! I dont understand your point? Not sparring with you, just trying to understand. The only time I've been injured is when NOT training for strength! I am not talking one rep max here.. Look at DC or Max OT. Produced many huge guys. This type of training works. Cuts through the chase. So why not use it. Its simple and effective. Maybe more effective than any other over the long haul. Look at Joel. Think that physique was built on burn sets? Nope. Heavy progressive lifting, and thats it.. Proof is in the pudding.. Anywho. I know for me (Training a loooong time), I am a genetic mishap, and the ONLY thing that has made me grow is getting stronger over time. Slowly, but surely.
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Post by RUBICON19 on Feb 25, 2008 20:51:01 GMT -5
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Post by Maximum6 on Feb 25, 2008 21:27:59 GMT -5
#focus3hy# Well, now that we've totally hi jacked Lux's thread.... Heres the form for lateral raises I was talking about Sorry bout all this Lux, we're just having some fun! This is the conventional way we all learned to perform side raises from exercise guides. But i tell you...if you perform it that way Your arm should be almost straight or just short of lock. This is because if you performed it the way this picture shows it..the db by laws of physics...would rotate the arm DOWN...causing the elbows to point up. Its not wrong to do it that way..but the leverage force to put full pressure on medial delt is not proper in my oppinion even if the whole delt contracts as a whole. If you do it the way the picture shows...have your arm almost straight. If you do it with the elbows pointed up...which can be achieved with pinkies pointed up...ANY degree bend in elbow is fine. Hence DB wg upright rows. That's just what I learned.
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