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Post by Grant on Oct 27, 2006 13:02:51 GMT -5
I have not taken this stuff for over 10 years. seems like I got 3 weeks of postive results then nothing. Thought I might give it another go.
Any advice on when to take it? I thought I read I should take it after my workout, which is in the morning.
I also like to drink 3-4 cups of coffee in the morning. will this affect the creatine? Thanks
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Post by beckie on Oct 27, 2006 16:14:04 GMT -5
The reviews on creatine and caffeine are mixed so I generally advise my clients to take the 2 some hours apart,just to be safe. most regular monohydrates are taken before and after workouts and you can either load in high doses for a week to saturate your muscles or go for the gradual buildup. THere are othr types on the market that only require one serve a day also... It sounds like your first experience of creatine was good although you may need to cycle it to get continual results,some do a 6 week on,2 weeks off or an 8 week on 2-4 weeks off. you will probably need to experiment to find what works for you.
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Post by Tim Wescott on Oct 27, 2006 16:25:16 GMT -5
I`m back on it after my contests....I get off before contests as I think it will make me retain water. I drink a ton of coffee and I seem to be responding well to it. Most people take 5 grams or so,but I take 10.......maybe you should increase the dosage Grant. I take mine after training but you can take 5 gms. before,and the other 5 gms. after. Personally I don`t load as I think it`s just a scam so you`ll run out of it faster and have to buy more sooner. I have read atrticles that say loading is a waste. Just my personal thoughts on it,certainly not gospel or anything!!
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Post by mrbeefy on Oct 27, 2006 18:07:32 GMT -5
I concur with everyone above! (That Tim is a pretty smart guy!)
I agree that pre-loading is not necessary for saturation. I use 5 g before workout, and 5 after with same BCAA's, and a recovery drink (using Endurox right now).
The ONLY thing I watch is that I found that micronized creatine is easier on my stoamch as it is more readily digestable.
My 2 cents!
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Post by Maximum6 on Oct 29, 2006 11:59:45 GMT -5
i wonder how some of the bodybuilders that are on creatine try and pull the water out of the body.
i mean ...it is dangerous to be dehydrated in the first place...let alone..take creatine with limited amount of water to drink.
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Post by mrbeefy on Oct 29, 2006 13:07:33 GMT -5
Limiting water while using creatine would be conterproductive. One of it's jobs is to pull water into the cells. No water, nothing to pull. This is why most BB only use it off season, so they don't retain water and look puffy on stage. my humble opinion
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Post by Tim Wescott on Oct 29, 2006 15:28:09 GMT -5
Limiting water while using creatine would be conterproductive. One of it's jobs is to pull water into the cells. No water, nothing to pull. This is why most BB only use it off season, so they don't retain water and look puffy on stage. my humble opinion An opinion that I totally agree with.
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Post by Grant on Oct 30, 2006 10:26:26 GMT -5
Thanks for the advice everyone.
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Post by RUBICON19 on Oct 30, 2006 23:16:13 GMT -5
CEE creatines are much better than the old monohydrates.
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Post by hossjob on Oct 31, 2006 12:59:24 GMT -5
So many things to add...so little time.
First of all - if you are bodybuilding you should be getting no less than 1.5 gallons of water per day unless you are depleting for a show, in which case you will be OFF creatine.
Second - CEE's ARE better. PERIOD. Make the change and you'll see the difference. The pumps are much better.
Third - Creatine Phosphate is used to split ATP to create more MUSCLE energy (not a buzz like energy). This should help provide you with an extra rep or 2 in your exercises, resulting in more fiber stimulation. Couple that with recovery and you should grow more and get stronger.
Fourth - And MOST importantly - Creatine is a cell volumizer. It pulls water and other nutrients into the muscle. This keeps the muscle hydrated. A hydrated muscle is an anabolic muscle. It also expands the fascia around the muscle giving the muscle more room to grow. Give the muscle some extra room and theory has it that the muscle s hould grow faster adnlarger (like putting a gold fish in a bowl or in a pond - the latter will grow larger).
There is more to it than that. Even if youdon't get the strength results from creatine, there is a nutrient/hdyration benefit. The increased cell volume will increase muscle size if you TRAIN and EAT properly.
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Post by mrbeefy on Nov 1, 2006 11:04:04 GMT -5
Hossjob!
BRAVO! Very well articulated!
You get a great big "atta-boy" for that one!
;D
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Post by hossjob on Nov 1, 2006 12:39:01 GMT -5
Thanks Beefy! I could've indulged more, but I digress. Don't wan to bore people.
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Post by mrky03 on Nov 4, 2006 16:55:37 GMT -5
Come on Kyle, I want to learn some more! I just switched to cee and I really can't tell any difference yet, but to be fair I've been dieting all summer so I've not given up on it.
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Post by hossjob on Nov 7, 2006 12:43:28 GMT -5
Joel, what brand of CEE are you using? Also, how exactly are you taking it? I have found that taking CEE throughout the day in small incriments (1-3 grams @ 3-5 times per day) has worked best. I also found that taking CEE about 30-minutes before my workout, but 30-60 minutes after my pre workout meal w/ WATER and SODIUM led to crazy immense pumps.
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Post by jehanlaforge on May 30, 2007 13:20:13 GMT -5
Do any of you had problems with a higher level of aggressivity when using creatine?
That's one of the concerns my fiancée has toward the bodybuilding training. Her ex had that problem.
Thanks
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Post by Hoopie on May 30, 2007 13:51:14 GMT -5
sure it was the creatine and not the diet or possibly other supps he was taking. I never had that problem or heard of that problem with creatine.
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Post by EBA84 on May 30, 2007 16:12:44 GMT -5
Be very careful of long term use of creatine. It has been associated with muscle tears. I experienced this first hand. I had been on creatine for almost 4 months. I tore my left quad pretty bad. I have never tore any leg muscle in 22 years of lifting. I then tore my right quad but not near as bad. I then did research on creatine and found this information. Jumped off the creatine and a month later I was doing legs heavy again with no issues. Here is part of an article I found:
The heart of the bad press concerns creatine side effects, which are alleged to include muscle, tendon, and ligament strains. In theory, creatine can improve the explosive energy production of muscle cells without actually fortifying the mechanical strength of muscles and their attached tendons, as well as ligaments holding together the joints across which muscles and tendons act. As a result, the unusually powerful contractions produced in creatine-loaded muscles might literally tear apart the not-yet-reinforced muscle cells, as well as their associated connective tissues, at least in theory.
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Post by beckie on May 30, 2007 17:02:21 GMT -5
Good point Eric. I've always recommended to clients to cycle it anyway-its not a popular point of view these days but its one I've stuck to.
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Post by EBA84 on Jun 1, 2007 17:58:10 GMT -5
A buddy of mine had been on creatine for 3 months. Just tore his shoulder yesterday. Said he also popped his hamstring twice in the last month doing cardio. Creatine is a great supplement but I wouldn't use for more then 6 weeks.
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Post by beckie on Jun 1, 2007 18:01:15 GMT -5
this is interesting Eric-I'd be interested in reading more about this. Do you have any links to refs on Pubmed or other sites?
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