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Post by Tim Wescott on Sept 27, 2003 14:06:00 GMT -5
I`m one day out from my show, and I have manipulated my fluid intake to come in as dry, and hard as possible.To get rid of unwanted water, in between your muscles and skin, you must first consume a lot of water on a daily basis, all the time. It`s benefits are listed in another thread on this board.Consuming large amounts, then cutting your water intake in half,3 days out from the show, kind of tricks the body in to still excreting water at the same rate as before.Cutting in half again, on the next day ,then again on the day before the show, as well as quitting fluids entirely between 5-8 PM,really helps you to get rid of this water.It`s amazing to me, how much more muscular you look doing this.
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Post by Joe Meeko on Jan 5, 2004 6:03:50 GMT -5
Boy that is totally different than how we all did it in the 80's We drank no water for 3 to 4 days out which was a literal hell to due. Do you think you come in as hard with this new method as we did?
Your way sounds much easier on the mind and body than totally going dry for 3 to 4 days. Too bad I won't have the opportunity to try it - my hardcore bodybuiulding days are over:) I just train to stay in shape now and keep the muscle full and tight.
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Post by Tim Wescott on Jan 5, 2004 10:57:59 GMT -5
Joe, I`ve been competing a long time and I used to restrict my water intake for days much like everyone else used to do at the time.Then as time went on it was discovered that this type of restriction actually triggers a response in the body from a hormone called Aldosterone that actually makes you hold onto water when it`s so strictly depleted.It`s a lot easier,for sure.I just keep flooding my system making the body excrete more and more liquid.You will actually excrete more than you take in.The big drawback to this is that you are literally in the bathroom a zillion times a day.I do restrict water about 8 PM the night before a show until after pre-judging.I have gotten very dry this way and with increased carb intake you look full and healthy as opposed to a "stringy" look you may get doing it the old way,plus not much cramping of the muscles.On the other side of the coin,I still know some guy`s who cut water for days and they are dry as hell.I guess whatever method works for you ,is the way to go.
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Post by Joe Meeko on Jan 8, 2004 8:07:55 GMT -5
FROM JOE MEEKO - I guess the reason I came in shredded and still full is by the way I carbed up. I ate dry carbs like baked potatoes and air dried spaggetti, dry Carrob and pineapple chunks etc. But I also added many pounds (like 10lbs.) of wet moist sugar carbs that came from Smuckers jelly it is the only brand jelly I found out there with no sodium content. I would scoup it onto my potatoes and add it on top of dry rice cakes and mix it with my dried out spaggetti. I was so thirsty I actually just started scouping it straight from the jar to curb my thirst.
I would start to immediately feel my muscles go from a stringy shredded look to a full shredded look. So I guess I was doing the same thing but in a different way. The muscles would just suck up that smuckers jelly and fill up stretching the skin even tighter as they would fill up with the wet and dry carb mix. It was an awsome feeling. Plus all the high fructose sugar carbs would make my veins fill up and stick out all over adding a very vascular look to my physique.
I stumbled on this method by accident one day after the Mr. Eastern USA which I used as a warm up show for the Mr. North America. I won but came in very stringy but ripped, and also light. Then I was feeling disoriented in the head after the show and decided to have some sugar (which I ate a little jelly on a rice cake) I immediately cleared up in my mind and started to swell within minutes!
The next show the Mr. North America (2 weeks later) I came in 20 lbs. heavier and even more cut because of the stretchinmg of the skin. (I FOUND MY SECRET SUCCESS CARB LOADIN METHOD) and used it in every show therafter - and it worked every time! But you must totally deplete your body of processed sugars the entire pre-contest diet. Then your body just craves those sugars and responds to them in dramatic ways.
I gave this method recently to a natural competitor that I have been working with in California. He tried it and it worked beautifully for him and he came in the best he ever looked in his life. (rock hard and full) instead of his usual dry stringy and cut look.
I guess it comes down to that everyone has to find out what works for himself doesn't it:)
JOE MEEKO
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Post by Tim Wescott on Jan 8, 2004 8:29:45 GMT -5
Thanks for the info Joe,That carb-up sounds awesome.I too use jelly on the day of the show and it gives you a good tight pump with crazy vascularity.I find that at my age(48) I`m much more carb sensitive than I used to be ,so a traditional carb-up is something I no longer do .I simply keep carbs fairly low ,and carb cycle.When I`m 3 days out I will add in more carbs than usual,but not too many,as I seem to smooth out and hold water.Oh to be young again! ;D
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Post by Joe Meeko on Jan 9, 2004 5:09:33 GMT -5
Yes you are probably right about the age thing. I don't know how I would respond now at 43 yrs old. I have noticed that when I hit 40 my metabolism has slowed down a little, but I still can eat some junk and not gain too much fat.
Years ago I could eat anything and still maintain my abs and some striations on all bodyparts. Not anymore - if I eat too much junk I get a small roll around my waist (about 1" thick) then it seems to stop. This never happened before when I use to compete when I was in my early and mid 20's.
I use to star carb loading 3 days before a show - the same time I stopped drinking water. I even ate POUNDS of Hershey bars and other assorted chocolates (Krackle bars etc.) just the day before the show to add to the sugar rush and I didn't smooth out from it.
It usually takes a few days until fat starts to stick to the body so I wasn't afraid of the chocolate one day before.
I do stay on a good diet year round now anyway. I just don't feel healthy if I bulk up too much (tired feeling from fats). I guess it's because my body was so use to not eating fats just about my whole life that I get a puky feeling in my stomach when I eat them now.
I read the labels on everything food product I buy and if it has more than 2 to 4 grams of fat per serving I don't buy it or eat it. Only once a month will I junk out on a Pizza or something else - then it's back to the diet. I just feel healthier and also my mind is more alert when I stay on a low fat healthy rounded diet.
Your body was made to run and perform best on natural foods not man-made processed junk which most people are use to having on a daily basis.
I only train 3 to 4 days per week now for about a half hour (one body part per day) just to stay in shape and keep the muscle full and tight. I don't have it in me anymore to kill myself in the gym like I use to and I also accomplished about all I could in the sport without hitting a brick wall do to politics if I would have switched organizations.
Joe Meeko
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Post by Tim Wescott on Jan 9, 2004 8:38:57 GMT -5
You certainly have nothing further to prove Joe.You`re contest record is outstanding,scary even.  I eat Peanut Butter cups before a show also.I don`t worry about the sodium because by that time I have stopped drinking water and will not be in danger of holding any.Thanks for all the great advice and information Joe,and please feel free to talk about anything you like on the forum.It`s always a pleasure to hear stories or training advice form a legend. |
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Post by Chuck on Jan 9, 2004 17:06:46 GMT -5
I'll eat bite size Snickers all throughout the day of a show.
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Post by Steve on Jan 23, 2004 2:09:45 GMT -5
As I have read above, I sense a carb boost at the show be it even Smuckers jelly? Or is this an actual amount of time needed before a pose?
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Post by Maximum6 on Jul 8, 2004 14:39:48 GMT -5
Well..since i'm doing a Contest like Diet as well...I was wondering...what is the best thing to eat..on the day of contest? I keep hearing all these candies and chocolates....
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Post by Tim Wescott on Jul 8, 2004 16:14:05 GMT -5
Max. competitors only eat this kind of stuff to get blood sugar up before going onstage to appear fuller after carb depleting and then carb loading.
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Post by Maximum6 on Jul 8, 2004 16:19:33 GMT -5
Darn...thought i could sneak in some chocolate bars with peanut butter, almonds, or some andes mint..
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Post by pscarb on Jul 10, 2004 3:46:04 GMT -5
i have a tendency to over carb load before a show until my last show where i only carb loaded 1 day before suprise suprise i was a little under carbed and it cost me the 2nd place....... ;D
i tend to eat spuds for carbing up after doing a 3-4 days at zero carbs.
tim what do you suggest for carb loading if you are only doing it for 1 day???
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Post by Tim Wescott on Jul 10, 2004 5:56:29 GMT -5
I personally don`t do a traditional carb load as most others do.
I simply cycle carbs throughout the diet, doing 3 low days followed by two higher days.
As the contest nears closer ,at 6 days out, I plan it so I do my 3 lower days ,going just a bit lower than I normally would ,depending on how I look.
Then instead of my two day carb up, I simply increase carbs for three days, as opposed to the normal two days.
Some guy`s will deplete for 3 days, and then eat carbs like yams,rice ,and dried fruit, every two hours, all day, for 3 whole days, which I think is crazy.
If you normally take in for example 200 carbs on a high carb day when dieting, and suddenly go up to 600-800 grams, chances are you may spill over ruining definition.
That`s a big shock to the body all of a sudden, and one thing I`ve learned thus far, is that any drastic changes will affect you dramatically.
Sometimes for the better,sometimes not!
Especially this close to a show.
If I only had one day to carb up, I would eat yams and oatmeal as my carb sources, and keep protein high as usual.
Just eat every three hours as you normally would, but closely monitor your look in the mirror.
The mirror, when carbing up, is vitally important.Just eat until you look fuller.The best way to do this is to do a trial run three weeks out from the show so you can get an idea how it will affect your physique.
On the day of the show I eat oatmeal with my normal egg whites for breakfast and once I`m there before going onstage I will eat some jelly,or Reese`s Peanut Butter Cups, to get my blood sugar up before hitting the stage.Another good thing to use at this time is pie filling !
Of course my water intake is non-existant at this point as I cut it completely the night before the show.
After pre-judging I have a small amount of water and eat yams which I bring with me along with chicken breasts.
This is just how I do it, and I`m not saying it`s the best way, but it works for me as I`m kind of carb sensitive and do not beleive in taking in exhorbitant amounts of carbs before a show, and risking blowing my condition after 16 weeks of dieting like a Spartan.
I`ve seen too many guy`s take people`s advice, and just overdo it on the carb up thus spilling over and coming in watery looking!!
In a nutshell,give it a test run at 3 weeks out or so while you are lean,to best determine the amounts for you,but add them slowly and don`t overdo.
BEtter to look a tad flat than watery ,in my opinon.
You never seem able to duplicate the exact same look at different show`s anyway!!
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Post by pscarb on Jul 10, 2004 11:23:22 GMT -5
cheers Tim in fact what you have said makes sense. i have always thought that loading your body with 100's of grams of carbs no matter how depleted you are is a bit of hit and miss... i have found good success in what you have said about carb cycling (adjusted for myself of course ).. so three weeks out i will try what you have suggested as a trail and see how i look.... i have tried to post a pic on my diet thread not sure if it has worked though?  |
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Post by Maximum6 on Jul 10, 2004 15:14:55 GMT -5
I'm carb cycling right now..and my lowest is around 54grams of carbs ...27g from Oatmeal..and other from Veggies.
My highest is around 110grams..from oats, veggies, and brown rice, white rice, this has worked well so far.
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Post by pscarb on Jul 11, 2004 1:43:47 GMT -5
my lowest is 22g from veg and my highest approx190g i have had to slightly modify the cycle to fit my schedule
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Post by Maximum6 on Jul 12, 2004 19:27:04 GMT -5
Tim..i was wondering just what is the best thing to eat before you step on stage. I keep hearing your peanut butter cups. The sugar free kind? What about Hershey bars w/almonds, Turtles, Kitkats, Yorks, ? |
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Post by Chuck on Jul 13, 2004 10:03:06 GMT -5
I'll eat a handfull of the "Bite Sized" Snickers. I'll keep a bag of them in my cooler and eat them throughout the day.
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Post by Maximum6 on Jul 13, 2004 15:32:39 GMT -5
so ...whats the use of having sweets again ?
Cause i might want to experiment with this also..but can't decide which candy is best...
Hershey, Turtles, Butter Cups, Snickers, payday...i love payday....or some Banana Flavored candy. ;D
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I eat Peanut Butter cups before a show also.I don`t worry about the sodium because by that time I have stopped drinking water and will not be in danger of holding any.Thanks for all the great advice and information Joe,and please feel free to talk about anything you like on the forum.It`s always a pleasure to hear stories or training advice form a legend.
