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Post by masterschamp on Jun 12, 2005 18:20:06 GMT -5
I haven't posted much lately, but I have dropped by everyday to check out the threads and just see what has been going on. Today I came across a thread started by Max about early training and a particular reply by 1400 got me thinking about posting a message to all the young guys(and gals) that might be just starting out in this game. Max seemed truly astonished that anyone would train in the AM without the latest fad--pre workout supplementing with carbs and protein.You see,I have noticed that the younger guys seem vulnerable to any new hyped up theory or supplement that comes down the pike and I think guys like me who have years of competitive experience owe it to the sport to try and tell these kids the truth. Max, 1400 was absolutely correct when he said to be careful about recommendations particularly about supplements--the research (and results that back up these new claims) are paid for and developed by the very companies making the product. Have you ever heard or seen of these studies being done in a controlled, independent medical lab by an independent nationally recognized medical group? Further, just because Joe Title Holder says something works--- it may just have something to do with the fact that he is being paid by the company putting out the product. The bottom line to you Max, and the other young ones out there, is to take your time, listen, and learn. Learn from the folks who have "been there;done that". Assimilate the things they tell you, apply them when appropriate, then reflect on what truly worked for you; for another truism of this sport is that no one will know your body better than you and what works for someone else doesn't necessarily mean it will work for you. I'm going to paraphrase a reply I made to another board directed to those just starting out also.It seems that the young guys are more worried about what to take, and talk about their "stashes" of saved up, prohormones as if they were holding on to a "secret formula" to be unleashed in the future to put them over the top! Any seasoned competitor, who truly has been around the block, will tell you prohormones are a joke; in particular if you are looking to make steroid like gains of the type National level competitors and above experience---which is what the kids think they will do! It just pisses me off to think of all the money these kids threw away on that bullsh*t when they should have been spending it on FOOD, and learning how to train and eat right! I for one am very glad they are now banned for sale--not because I think they are truly dangerous--but because now at least some poor kid won't be wasting half his weekly paycheck from his part time job on that crap. Save for a car--take out your girl!! Now to get to my reply from the other forum--it was in response to how important it is to count and weigh everything:
I don't really count anything--I think training, and diet especially,become an instinctive thing particularly if you've competed for awhile. No one knows your body and how it responds to certain foods better than you do. And even that will not remain a permanent thing, as over time, your body may react differently in response to a nutritional aspect than it ever has before. In my case, I have never relied heavily on protein drinks/powders. My diet is basically comprised of whole foods only, as I find that is what works best for ME. I have heard about every theory concerning protein sups and their use for 20 years now, but in all sincerity, I don't really see what more they could have done for me in comparison with what a whole food diet has done for me. Also (I can hear the gasps already!!)--I don't do the whole pre and post sup routine in regard to my training sessions either. In fact, I ALWAYS have trained on an empty stomach, (2 cups coffee; small amt cantaloupe),every AM and I ALWAYS double split!! I don't think eating and training in this manner has "hindered" me at all! And another shocker--I do VERY LITTLE, IF ANY cardio when getting ready for a show!!!! You guys have seen several contest shots of myself-- does it look like I have any problem getting cut?And I have NEVER taken a cutting drug of any kind. Again, it's all about what works for you.Theory is great in the lab, but sometimes in the real world , things work out differently.
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Post by Maximum6 on Jun 12, 2005 18:28:55 GMT -5
Since you know i'm still a beginner....as i've only been doing this for about 1yr now....i still have lots to learn...and i thank you for posting this... I've always known food is what affects your body the most...and supplement...is what it is...supplement. I never believed in taking anything like prohormones or steroids...and will never even touch it. If i do consider taking anything though....it would be vitamins...protein...and some creatine....anything else i always ask tim or other people on this board what they think of it....but usually i don't waste my money on it..as i always remember that it is SUPPLEMENT. I have never seen your photos..so i'll have to check it out  |
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Post by Gerry Blais on Jun 12, 2005 18:45:00 GMT -5
Master,
That was very well said!The younger generation today are all the same in every aspect of life.They are looking for a "pay-off" without any "investment".
It's all about hard work,consistancy,and smart eating.
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Post by Maximum6 on Jun 12, 2005 19:32:37 GMT -5
And thats a fact.....people keep asking me...so drinking protein is going to get me big right?
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Post by masterschamp on Jun 12, 2005 19:41:25 GMT -5
Max,
I use to have a whole series of contest photos on the site, but when Tim upgraded a few weeks ago he told they 'disappeared'! I know he's been having some problems with the new set up. If anyone out there knows how to post a photo, let me know--I even lost my avatar(which was also a contest shot), and I can't get one to post either. Also Max, I commend you for asking questions--it is apparent you want to learn--too many kids today think after reading two magazines and working out for 6 months they know it all-- they all end up nowhere. You, my young friend, will continue to grow in this sport as long as you stay patient and keep an open mind.
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Post by 1705total on Jun 12, 2005 19:43:39 GMT -5
Great, great great and one more great post Masterchamp!
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Post by Maximum6 on Jun 12, 2005 19:56:02 GMT -5
can't you just host your own image on imageshack.us and then post in here? using ![]() [/img] in between those is where you put your link where you hosted your pick |
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Post by 1705total on Jun 12, 2005 20:01:31 GMT -5
Many newbies and I must confess, myself as well at times, have fallen into the trap of believing the "hype". You can get so caught up in the ads and the articles that you feel you need what ever "they" are pushing. This newest supplament wil make me big.
But then I remember the best I ever looked was in 1994. I dieted for 32 weeks. Went from 232 to 190. Was totally ripped in the upper body. I ate 24 egg whites, 1 cup of cream of rice and 5-7 cans of tuna throughout the day. No protein, no mrp's, no fat burners, no creatine.
I also remember reading an article that said weight training can cause increases in muslce tissue even in a calorie deficient diet. So I truely believe you don't need to spend your hard earned cash on supps, like some many suggest.
Again Good post masterchamp
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Post by masterschamp on Jun 12, 2005 20:56:44 GMT -5
Max,
I tried the imageshack thing-- Igot my picture to post on their site but when I tried to post it to here it didn't get through! Alot of us "seasoned vets" are computer challenged, especially in comparison to you younger guys!
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Post by Maximum6 on Jun 12, 2005 21:06:43 GMT -5
don't they give you like 6 different links to link up your picture....did you try them all?? cause sometimes i use one...and it doesn't work...and then i use another link and it works....also..try it without the ![]() [/img] first.. |
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Post by cavemuscle on Jun 13, 2005 5:54:13 GMT -5
excellent Post Masterchamp!
I've been doing this for a LOOONG time and have found that FOOD, the right kind and lots of it, is the best anabolic around! Zach Marcy at Body Blog was 100% behind this and he was walking prooF of i, as am I!
It all boils down to my life motto: Train, eat, work, sleep.
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Post by masterschamp on Jun 13, 2005 7:10:22 GMT -5
It's great to some of my more experienced brothers weighing in on this! Funny how the longer you do this, the more you realize it ain't rocket science!
Max, I finally got a photo to post, but I don't have a clue how to resize it so it fills the whole box instead of having the white portion at the top. I'd apreciate anyone's help here.
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Post by RUBICON19 on Jun 13, 2005 9:43:02 GMT -5
Master champ. I could not agree more!!! Great post!!
You do double splits? I used to train that way. Tuff Sledd'n!!!!
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Post by GerryT on Jun 13, 2005 12:47:50 GMT -5
Great posts, Keith. Please hang around and keep posting. Need your expertise and friendship here!!
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Post by masterschamp on Jun 13, 2005 12:59:45 GMT -5
Thanks, Gerry
We have to spend some time catching up my brother! Now that school is out I have alot more time to post! I can't believe I got the picture thing straightened out!! Your severely computer challenged friend, Keith
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Post by Intensity on Jun 13, 2005 13:29:45 GMT -5
...same thing: Greeeat post masterchamp.
An other exemple of the fact that we should try to adapt theories to our body rather than just fallow the "so call secrets" : I always heard that i should stop to drink water approx. 12h before a bodybuilding show. But after a couple of shows i discovered that i am fuller and even DRYER when i continu to drink 4-5 liters of water on contest day!!! I never read that anywhere and i'm sure that it wont be a good method for a lot of people... but every body react differently so it's sad, but i think that the idea is to look for relevent informations... try it... and adjust it to our own body!
Mo
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Post by mrmelody on Jun 15, 2005 13:27:02 GMT -5
Just wanted to say nice post and replies! Definitely one of the first things that Tim relayed to me when I started here and I"ve kept with that since and told others to maintain that way too. I use only one protein shake a day w/creatine due to my schedule. Other than that it's all in the food!
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Post by RUBICON19 on Jun 16, 2005 14:18:03 GMT -5
I haven't posted much lately, but I have dropped by everyday to check out the threads and just see what has been going on. Today I came across a thread started by Max about early training and a particular reply by 1400 got me thinking about posting a message to all the young guys(and gals) that might be just starting out in this game. Max seemed truly astonished that anyone would train in the AM without the latest fad--pre workout supplementing with carbs and protein.You see,I have noticed that the younger guys seem vulnerable to any new hyped up theory or supplement that comes down the pike and I think guys like me who have years of competitive experience owe it to the sport to try and tell these kids the truth. Max, 1400 was absolutely correct when he said to be careful about recommendations particularly about supplements--the research (and results that back up these new claims) are paid for and developed by the very companies making the product. Have you ever heard or seen of these studies being done in a controlled, independent medical lab by an independent nationally recognized medical group? Further, just because Joe Title Holder says something works--- it may just have something to do with the fact that he is being paid by the company putting out the product. The bottom line to you Max, and the other young ones out there, is to take your time, listen, and learn. Learn from the folks who have "been there;done that". Assimilate the things they tell you, apply them when appropriate, then reflect on what truly worked for you; for another truism of this sport is that no one will know your body better than you and what works for someone else doesn't necessarily mean it will work for you. I'm going to paraphrase a reply I made to another board directed to those just starting out also.It seems that the young guys are more worried about what to take, and talk about their "stashes" of saved up, prohormones as if they were holding on to a "secret formula" to be unleashed in the future to put them over the top! Any seasoned competitor, who truly has been around the block, will tell you prohormones are a joke; in particular if you are looking to make steroid like gains of the type National level competitors and above experience---which is what the kids think they will do! It just pisses me off to think of all the money these kids threw away on that bullsh*te when they should have been spending it on FOOD, and learning how to train and eat right! I for one am very glad they are now banned for sale--not because I think they are truly dangerous--but because now at least some poor kid won't be wasting half his weekly paycheck from his part time job on that crap. Save for a car--take out your girl!! Now to get to my reply from the other forum--it was in response to how important it is to count and weigh everything: I don't really count anything--I think training, and diet especially,become an instinctive thing particularly if you've competed for awhile. No one knows your body and how it responds to certain foods better than you do. And even that will not remain a permanent thing, as over time, your body may react differently in response to a nutritional aspect than it ever has before. In my case, I have never relied heavily on protein drinks/powders. My diet is basically comprised of whole foods only, as I find that is what works best for ME. I have heard about every theory concerning protein sups and their use for 20 years now, but in all sincerity, I don't really see what more they could have done for me in comparison with what a whole food diet has done for me. Also (I can hear the gasps already!!)--I don't do the whole pre and post sup routine in regard to my training sessions either. In fact, I ALWAYS have trained on an empty stomach, (2 cups coffee; small amt cantaloupe),every AM and I ALWAYS double split!! I don't think eating and training in this manner has "hindered" me at all! And another shocker--I do VERY LITTLE, IF ANY cardio when getting ready for a show!!!! You guys have seen several contest shots of myself-- does it look like I have any problem getting cut?And I have NEVER taken a cutting drug of any kind. Again, it's all about what works for you.Theory is great in the lab, but sometimes in the real world , things work out differently. Masterchamp. What does your double split look like?? |
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Post by masterschamp on Jun 16, 2005 15:13:50 GMT -5
4 on, 1 off
Day 1 AM CHEST PM TRICEPS, ABS
Day 2 AM BACK PM BICEPS, CALVES
Day 3 AM DELTS/ABS PM No PM workout on day3---resting for LEG DAY!!!
Day 4 AM QUADS PM HAMS, CALVES
I believe in heavy weights (4-8, sometimes 10, rep ranges) AND high volume (18-25 sets per bodypart)
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Post by RUBICON19 on Jun 16, 2005 15:30:37 GMT -5
4 on, 1 off Day 1 AM CHEST PM TRICEPS, ABS Day 2 AM BACK PM BICEPS, CALVES Day 3 AM DELTS/ABS PM No PM workout on day3---resting for LEG DAY!!! Day 4 AM QUADS PM HAMS, CALVES I believe in heavy weights (4-8, sometimes 10, rep ranges) AND high volume (18-25 sets per bodypart) Cool. BRUTAL!!!!! Good stuff |
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