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Post by Maximum6 on Jun 16, 2005 15:39:54 GMT -5
18-25sets!!!!!
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Post by ntrllftr on Jun 16, 2005 20:42:08 GMT -5
4 on, 1 off Day 1 AM CHEST PM TRICEPS, ABS Day 2 AM BACK PM BICEPS, CALVES Day 3 AM DELTS/ABS PM No PM workout on day3---resting for LEG DAY!!! Day 4 AM QUADS PM HAMS, CALVES I believe in heavy weights (4-8, sometimes 10, rep ranges) AND high volume (18-25 sets per bodypart) WOW I am jelous. With working 10 hour days I am glad to get to the gym once a day. I also do about 16 sets per body part. Once I get started it seems like I cant stop.
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Post by Maximum6 on Jun 16, 2005 22:49:05 GMT -5
my muscles get tired and can't perform as well after about 9sets
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Post by sockrocker on Jun 17, 2005 2:30:20 GMT -5
this thread reminded me: I like beef...alot
MAX, my only advice to you at this point is to eat all of the beef that you can get your hands on! ;D
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Post by Maximum6 on Jun 17, 2005 3:03:10 GMT -5
16oz a day.....that's all i can afford... ;D
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Post by masterschamp on Jun 17, 2005 4:53:49 GMT -5
ntrliftr; It used to be a bit of logistic problem as I used to belong to several gyms and would travel between them, as I liked some bodypart equipment at one over the other. This was both before and after work--I am a Guidance Counselor.My wife is a Special Education teacher, so at least our schedules, along with those of the kids, are compatible! I get up at 4:30 to train, then get everyone up, help prepare breakfast and get the kids ready for school. My work hours are 7:30 - 3:00, I would be back at the gym @ 3:30 after work, and finally get home by @ 5:00. Then, it was take one of my 4 kids to practice of some type(sometimes 2-3 different ones!!), get back, and help get everyone ready for bed --baths, homework, etc., cook all my meals fot the next day,( I don't think it's fair to expect my wife to cook that way for me), try to find an hour of quiet time to spend with my wife, and start it all over the next day! My wife and I had a new house built 8 years ago and we both decided it would be smart to build a gym into the house, because to tell you the truth, I missed the time away from my kids and wife!( my family is everything to me). I added a double car garage size room, had it mirrored on all four sides, and furnished it with the following: 4 Olympic sets with an additional 750 lbs of Olympic and regular weights in varying denominations, DB's 5-125 lbs in 5 lb increments, lat pulldown with cable row attachment, cable crossover with both high and low pulleys, leg press/hip sled, seated delt machine, smith machine, preacher bench, leg ext/leg curl, standing and seated calf machines, pec deck, and 2 regular adjustable benches, one of which has since been replaced by a powertec leverage bench press machine, ( I also have a treadmill in there with a wall mounted tv in front of it for the wife!!), and a wired in sound system. The room was financed into the mortgage ,so aside from that, I have about $13,000 to $14,000 invested in my "little" home gym!! Best thing I ever did--my wife AND kids like the fact I am at home instead of all over town, as do I. You could find nothing more complete at a commercial gym--and every member of the family( including my son with CP) regularly uses it. We look at it as not just a tool for Dad's chosen sport, but rather as a lifetime investment in our family's health. And to dispel another myth about not being able to train intensely enough to compete at home --I have won my last 3 shows training EXCLUSIVELY at my home gym. With my schedule, it hasn't nearly been "easy" but, like I always say,-- it comes down to how bad you really want something!
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Post by masterschamp on Jun 17, 2005 15:15:36 GMT -5
18-25sets!!!!! Max, I can remember (how could I forget!) a 55 set leg workout with John that had me seeing God!!! All giant sets, drop sets, and supersets with HEAVY weight!! Anyone who says you can't train hard AND long, has never "crossed over" that threshold. Till this day, I have an inside joke with some who know me well, that every leg day I talk to God!! Taking it to the next level is what it's all about!
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Post by ntrllftr on Jun 17, 2005 18:08:11 GMT -5
You said it "like I always say,-- it comes down to how bad you really want something!"
This is true, I begin work at 6:30 am and work till 4:30 or 5:00pm sometimes later if problems occur along with the 20 minute drive. The gym I go to is right around the corner from me which is nice. By the time I get home say hi to my wife and kids, go to the gym for an hour and a half to two hours and like you I prepare my meals for the following day (thank god for the G. Foreman grill) for myself and spend an hour with my wife , it is time for bed and do it again.
Thanks for sharing with us your daily routine. Impressive stuff!
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Post by hossjob on Jun 17, 2005 18:40:03 GMT -5
masterchamp GREAT and I mean GREAT original post! That is sooo sooo true. I dont' consider myself a beginner (I've been studying diet and training and supps for 7 years and training hard now for 9), but I'm not at all a veteran. I ahve learned that DIET DIET DIET is above all the absolute MOST important part of bodybuilding. If you bodybuild you should LOVE training. I have learned that different people respond to different training and that different body parts respond differently to different types of training and rep schemes. For instance: My legs do NOT respond to HIGH VOLUME. They DO respond to HIGH INTENSITY and moderate # of sets as long as my rep range varies! My chest BEST responds to about 10-12 sets at 6-10 reps/set. My Biceps need 12 sets to effectively grow and again the rep range MUST vary! My triceps need less total sets, but they NEED HIGHER REP TOTALS like 12-20 or to be compounded 1 exercises w/ another. My back DOES NOT respond to high volume, but it responds very well to about 12-14 sets to FAILURE at reps between 4 and 12. My shoulders can handle about anything as long as my sets don't go above 12 and my reps below 5. I've learned this. I know going more than 10 reps on a chest exercise does little for me. Or that doing 15 reps for a back exercise does little for me. I know doing 15 reps on a triceps exercise is IDEAL for me! I knwo 20 sets of quads is OVERKILL and my legs won't grow. I know that I HAVE to train my calves Heavy, light, moderate, high reps, low reps, mod reps, mix it up, super seted, switched in every way or there will be NO GROWTH! I also understand that 4 years ago my entire body responded awsomely to 4-10 reps and 16-30 sets per body part! Now, I would get nowhere. My point is you are totally correct! I also agree w/ whole food! I almos always try to eat whole food. However, I do agree w/ using a shake preworkout and postworkout. Get that whey in there to increase your bodies response to using insulin to transport nutrients. I like to get high Glycemic carbs PWO also. I notice more stamina in the gym on my next training day when I do this. Again, your post was AWESOME! SO TRUE SO TRUE and we can all learn from you crafty veterans! Thanks for being so kind!!
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Post by masterschamp on Jun 18, 2005 9:47:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the kind words, hoss. It's all about giving back --- whether it's your family,work,your community,helping those less fortunate than you in a physical or financial sense,or, as in this case, your chosen sport. I always tell the kids at school ( I'm a Guidance Counselor), that you never truly become fulfilled until you learn to selfLESS rather than selFISH. That, plus the fact I cannot stand to see those just starting out in this sport being taken advantage of for someone else's financial gain.
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TaPo31
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Post by TaPo31 on Jun 18, 2005 13:55:53 GMT -5
I just wanted to let everyone know how much I appreciate the postings of Masterschamp. This man knows so much and yet is so willing to give back, its very refreshing! I think the most compelling point that was made in this whole thread is that different things work for different people. Obviously, whatever Mr. Champ is doing works GREAT for him as he has an absolutely incredible physique. Thanks again.
Taylor
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Post by RUBICON19 on Jun 18, 2005 14:40:53 GMT -5
4 on, 1 off Day 1 AM CHEST PM TRICEPS, ABS Day 2 AM BACK PM BICEPS, CALVES Day 3 AM DELTS/ABS PM No PM workout on day3---resting for LEG DAY!!! Day 4 AM QUADS PM HAMS, CALVES I believe in heavy weights (4-8, sometimes 10, rep ranges) AND high volume (18-25 sets per bodypart) MC. How long does it usually take you to complete a workout?
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Post by masterschamp on Jun 18, 2005 15:00:50 GMT -5
RUBICON19; I'm usually done in @ 45 minutes, never more than an hour. I move at a good pace, even to the point of timing my rest between sets when I'm trying to up the intensity. Remember, training alone in my home gym that I described earlier in this post is a real advantage as there is no waiting for anything and I can have everything set up for me ahead of time. I typically take 45 sec to a minute between sets,sometimes knocking it down to 30 secs as mentioned above. On squats I might take up to 2 minutes between heaviest sets.
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Post by RUBICON19 on Jun 18, 2005 15:16:31 GMT -5
Cool. Thanks.
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Post by northwatch619 on Jun 30, 2005 13:24:47 GMT -5
Mstrchmp, Thanks for the great post and all the wisdom you so graciously pass forward to all. It’s so dishearten to see Gym employees and owners as well look the other way when inexperienced gym members use improper form, or left to fend for them selves. Owner/Employees seem to busy to take the time to talk to their gym members to see if they have any questions or can be of any assistance; spot etc. Your personal gym sound like dream room to many of us. If have any photos post’m, we shall be even more envious. NW619
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Post by GerryT on Jun 30, 2005 13:39:44 GMT -5
Agree. MC is da man. As kind as he is knowledgable. So cool that he is here.
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Post by carl on Jul 5, 2009 23:25:58 GMT -5
I haven't posted much lately, but I have dropped by everyday to check out the threads and just see what has been going on. Today I came across a thread started by Max about early training and a particular reply by 1400 got me thinking about posting a message to all the young guys(and gals) that might be just starting out in this game. Max seemed truly astonished that anyone would train in the AM without the latest fad--pre workout supplementing with carbs and protein.You see,I have noticed that the younger guys seem vulnerable to any new hyped up theory or supplement that comes down the pike and I think guys like me who have years of competitive experience owe it to the sport to try and tell these kids the truth. Max, 1400 was absolutely correct when he said to be careful about recommendations particularly about supplements--the research (and results that back up these new claims) are paid for and developed by the very companies making the product. Have you ever heard or seen of these studies being done in a controlled, independent medical lab by an independent nationally recognized medical group? Further, just because Joe Title Holder says something works--- it may just have something to do with the fact that he is being paid by the company putting out the product. The bottom line to you Max, and the other young ones out there, is to take your time, listen, and learn. Learn from the folks who have "been there;done that". Assimilate the things they tell you, apply them when appropriate, then reflect on what truly worked for you; for another truism of this sport is that no one will know your body better than you and what works for someone else doesn't necessarily mean it will work for you. I'm going to paraphrase a reply I made to another board directed to those just starting out also.It seems that the young guys are more worried about what to take, and talk about their "stashes" of saved up, prohormones as if they were holding on to a "secret formula" to be unleashed in the future to put them over the top! Any seasoned competitor, who truly has been around the block, will tell you prohormones are a joke; in particular if you are looking to make steroid like gains of the type National level competitors and above experience---which is what the kids think they will do! It just pisses me off to think of all the money these kids threw away on that bullsh*t when they should have been spending it on FOOD, and learning how to train and eat right! I for one am very glad they are now banned for sale--not because I think they are truly dangerous--but because now at least some poor kid won't be wasting half his weekly paycheck from his part time job on that crap. Save for a car--take out your girl!! Now to get to my reply from the other forum--it was in response to how important it is to count and weigh everything: I don't really count anything--I think training, and diet especially,become an instinctive thing particularly if you've competed for awhile. No one knows your body and how it responds to certain foods better than you do. And even that will not remain a permanent thing, as over time, your body may react differently in response to a nutritional aspect than it ever has before. In my case, I have never relied heavily on protein drinks/powders. My diet is basically comprised of whole foods only, as I find that is what works best for ME. I have heard about every theory concerning protein sups and their use for 20 years now, but in all sincerity, I don't really see what more they could have done for me in comparison with what a whole food diet has done for me. Also (I can hear the gasps already!!)--I don't do the whole pre and post sup routine in regard to my training sessions either. In fact, I ALWAYS have trained on an empty stomach, (2 cups coffee; small amt cantaloupe),every AM and I ALWAYS double split!! I don't think eating and training in this manner has "hindered" me at all! And another shocker--I do VERY LITTLE, IF ANY cardio when getting ready for a show!!!! You guys have seen several contest shots of myself-- does it look like I have any problem getting cut?And I have NEVER taken a cutting drug of any kind. Again, it's all about what works for you.Theory is great in the lab, but sometimes in the real world , things work out differently. You have just described myself. Only, without the years of experience in bodybuilding.
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