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Post by RUBICON19 on Mar 1, 2009 1:41:20 GMT -5
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Post by youngblood on Mar 1, 2009 9:27:12 GMT -5
Seen plenty of guys that tear a bicep.
Seen plenty of guys use tons of weight, and never have any problem.
I still use it, as I find it really helps me and I've never been able to get comfortable with a "hook grip."
To help avoid this situation, I'll flip flop which side I have as the underhand grip. That way no one side is overloaded. About the only solution to use it, and avoid the most issues, that I can see.
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Post by RUBICON19 on Mar 1, 2009 17:27:09 GMT -5
Seen plenty of guys that tear a bicep. Seen plenty of guys use tons of weight, and never have any problem. I still use it, as I find it really helps me and I've never been able to get comfortable with a "hook grip." To help avoid this situation, I'll flip flop which side I have as the underhand grip. That way no one side is overloaded. About the only solution to use it, and avoid the most issues, that I can see. I hear ya YB.. Just not gona take any chances anymore.. |
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Post by youngblood on Mar 1, 2009 21:49:46 GMT -5
To each their own. I know I'd be pretty mad if I did pop a bicep.  But, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have to deadlift more than 2 plates a side to really worry about it Rubi? ;D |
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Post by RUBICON19 on Mar 1, 2009 22:32:28 GMT -5
To each their own. I know I'd be pretty mad if I did pop a bicep. But, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have to deadlift more than 2 plates a side to really worry about it Rubi? ;D Hhahahhahahaaaaaaahhaaaaaa... I actually watched a guys bicep roll up his arm last year. YUCK! man.. He was doing DB preacher curls with maybe 30's. This guy is a great competitor. He had a loooong recovery road. |
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Post by youngblood on Mar 2, 2009 19:28:35 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this Rubi.....
...today when I did Deadlifts with my over/under grip, I was completely paranoid thanks to you posting this.
I've seen it before, but this time it was too close to the day I DL'd!
#bheadbangsmiley7rd# #rantingsmiley2sx# #woohoo8ad#
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Post by mrbeefy on Mar 2, 2009 20:53:42 GMT -5
 Ok guys! Been there. Done That! It happens. I still lift with double over hooks now. Totally recovered. Louie Simmons suggested to me that when people Deadlift, they should always switch up there grip every other workout, and even throw in double over hooks from time to time. None of us WANT to get hurt. But it happens when you push the envelope. And if you're not pushing it to the edge, you're missing out on part of your training. Train hard. Train Smart. Train carefully. Be happy to share my rehab experience if anybody has questions! Frank |
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Post by RUBICON19 on Mar 2, 2009 22:30:33 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this Rubi..... ...today when I did Deadlifts with my over/under grip, I was completely paranoid thanks to you posting this. I've seen it before, but this time it was too close to the day I DL'd! #bheadbangsmiley7rd# #rantingsmiley2sx# #woohoo8ad# Sorry bro. Stay tuned. Next week I will post pec tear videos.. |
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Post by RUBICON19 on Mar 2, 2009 22:31:19 GMT -5
OUCH FRANK!
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Post by youngblood on Mar 2, 2009 22:51:52 GMT -5
Be happy to share my rehab experience if anybody has questions! Frank First, shave that arm Frank!!!!! ;D Second, in all my years of lifting, I don't think I've ever heard of "Double over hooks" before. Is it like a hook grip? I CANNOT use that, tried many times but can't do it. |
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Post by Sal Paradise on Mar 3, 2009 8:25:01 GMT -5
Unless one is a competetive powerlifter why not just use a double overhand with straps?  ? Thats the only way I'll lift heavy deads. I can simply hold on to 315 and maybe 405 for a few reps just by grabbing the bar. I can hook grip a bit more but it hurts, so I just strap up and I can lift more and longer without any worry on the biceps. And I feel it gives a better balance to the traps, etc. Anyone not using straps and a double overhand for their heavy deads who DOESN'T compete in PL is simply silly. It's not a macho thing, it's not a strength thing, it's a safety thing. Sal |
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Post by mrbeefy on Mar 3, 2009 9:41:42 GMT -5
Double over hooks is the same as double over hand grip..same-same!
I know what you mean Sal...
Key to protecting the bicep is perfect from and keeping those arms absolutley straight on the dead. Some people tend to bend their arm at the end for lock out, and THAT'S what tears the tendon.
Straps are absolutely a safety thing. I used to use them all the time once I got to 405 or better. PL don't use them because they want to strengthen their grip to hold the bar.
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Post by RUBICON19 on Mar 3, 2009 13:35:50 GMT -5
Be happy to share my rehab experience if anybody has questions! Frank First, shave that arm Frank!!!!! ;D Second, in all my years of lifting, I don't think I've ever heard of "Double over hooks" before. Is it like a hook grip? I CANNOT use that, tried many times but can't do it. I tried. My thumb was killing me!!!! |
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Post by mrbeefy on Mar 3, 2009 19:11:32 GMT -5
I guess that's why there are SO many exercises and machines...more options! Can't dead? Glute/hamstring machine! Can't squat? Leg presses! Can't bench? Hammer Strength Machines! Can't lift? Watch the Spandex! We all have options!  |
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Post by Maximum6 on Mar 6, 2009 10:03:55 GMT -5
how did that happen?
was it because he didn't lock his arms out? from start to finish
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Post by youngblood on Mar 6, 2009 17:28:15 GMT -5
how did that happen? was it because he didn't lock his arms out? from start to finish Because, though you're not using the bicep as in a curl motion, it's still under stress as more of a stabilizer. So, you have tension. You have a large amount of weight you're holding onto for dear life trying to get from Point A to B. Sometimes the biceps just give out. That's what you see. It's not exactly a phenomenon, happens quite often. Even if you are natural, 120# and deadlifting your bodyweight for 10 reps, at anytime it's possible for one of your arms to go "brogen." |
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Post by Intensity on Mar 7, 2009 12:33:35 GMT -5
Unless one is a competetive powerlifter why not just use a double overhand with straps? ? Thats the only way I'll lift heavy deads. I can simply hold on to 315 and maybe 405 for a few reps just by grabbing the bar. I can hook grip a bit more but it hurts, so I just strap up and I can lift more and longer without any worry on the biceps. And I feel it gives a better balance to the traps, etc. Anyone not using straps and a double overhand for their heavy deads who DOESN'T compete in PL is simply silly. It's not a macho thing, it's not a strength thing, it's a safety thing. Sal Great discussion guys! Thanks God, I'm not alone!!! Here's another guy who is not afraid of not looking "hardcore" because he's using straps and a double overhand grip when deadlifting! ;D If you are not looking to compete in a PL meet and your priority is hams and lower back development... then, there is no disadvantage using the method presented by Jeremy |
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Post by RUBICON19 on Mar 7, 2009 14:33:04 GMT -5
Unless one is a competetive powerlifter why not just use a double overhand with straps? ? Thats the only way I'll lift heavy deads. I can simply hold on to 315 and maybe 405 for a few reps just by grabbing the bar. I can hook grip a bit more but it hurts, so I just strap up and I can lift more and longer without any worry on the biceps. And I feel it gives a better balance to the traps, etc. Anyone not using straps and a double overhand for their heavy deads who DOESN'T compete in PL is simply silly. It's not a macho thing, it's not a strength thing, it's a safety thing. Sal Great discussion guys! Thanks God, I'm not alone!!! Here's another guy who is not afraid of not looking "hardcore" because he's using straps and a double overhand grip when deadlifting! ;D If you are not looking to compete in a PL meet and your priority is hams and lower back development... then, there is no disadvantage using the method presented by Jeremy Problem is that I planned to compete in a DL meet, but now I am reluctantly changing my mind! |
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Post by Sal Paradise on Mar 30, 2009 11:40:39 GMT -5
Problem is that I planned to compete in a DL meet, but now I am reluctantly changing my mind! I forgot all about htis thread - go figure... Anyway - you know the old saying - Powerlifting = Training for an injury Sadly, that truly is the case a lot of times. It's just the mentality behind it - push your body to lift as much as possible tillit gives out. Unfortunately it usually gives out in the form of injury. If one is lucky enough to make it through a power lifting period or "career" then just how much damage will be seen in later years. Lifting weight the way most of us do is a bit beyond "normal" so we may all see some long term joint issues, etc but powerlifting is pretty much a sure thing. Sal |
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