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Post by PassionateBB on Dec 1, 2004 23:25:22 GMT -5
Victor Conte will be telling all supposedly, and as he is quoted as saying, "for all the right reasons." The radio said he is going to tell all about his involvement in steroids and athletes. We'll see. Probably more like trying to score points with the judicial system.  |
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Post by Tim Wescott on Dec 1, 2004 23:35:49 GMT -5
Either that or ratting out everybody and his brother!  |
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Post by ChrisC on Dec 2, 2004 10:22:48 GMT -5
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Post by xenabeachgirl on Dec 3, 2004 0:54:05 GMT -5
Hey, question for you guys....my husband is asking about what he saw on TV...  Does anybody know what "clear" and "cream" is? The "clear" is an oral steroid (pill) of some kind, the "cream" is an athletic balm that you rub into your skin......WHAT IS IT, and what is it supposed to advance??  Thanks!! :Not Worthy: |
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Post by ifearnoman on Dec 3, 2004 0:58:21 GMT -5
I think it has something to do with IGF..not sure though
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Post by ChrisC on Dec 3, 2004 9:21:52 GMT -5
From the StamfordAdvocate www.stamfordadvocate.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spsub1203,0,3657651.story?coll=ny-yankees-print "The Clear." This was a BALCO code name for the designer steroid tetrahydrogestrinone, or THG, taken in drops under the tongue. Until a Los Angeles lab decoded THG early in the BALCO probe, it could not be detected in anti-doping tests. It has no medical use, and side effects are unknown. "The Cream." Another BALCO special. This is testosterone-based lotion that mixes testosterone with naturally produced epitestosterone to retain a balance that masks the unnatural presence of testosterone. It is claimed that it builds strength. It has no medical use, and side effects are unknown. |
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Post by ifearnoman on Dec 3, 2004 9:23:41 GMT -5
as I said on mayhem
Legalize/Tax/Regulate EVERYTHING
there goes about 75% of our problems, and our crime rate will drop....
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Post by xenabeachgirl on Dec 3, 2004 12:55:55 GMT -5
Thanks Chris! I'm sure that's just what he wants to know.....  |
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Post by ChrisC on Dec 3, 2004 22:54:46 GMT -5
So did anyone watch 20/20?
The program certainly wasn't a character assasination of Conte. Actually a pretty balanced interview.
Looks like Marion Jones is screwed because she told the Grand Jury she never used anything while Conte gave a rundown of her drug use in the interview.
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Post by Tim Wescott on Dec 3, 2004 22:58:01 GMT -5
Chris,I read that about Jones on another board,butv wouldn`t that only be hearsay?
Why bring down others when you are catching the heat?
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Post by youngblood on Dec 3, 2004 22:59:37 GMT -5
as I said on mayhem Legalize/Tax/Regulate EVERYTHING there goes about 75% of our problems, and our crime rate will drop.... I do agree with that ifear...... |
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Post by ChrisC on Dec 3, 2004 23:10:41 GMT -5
I do agree with that ifear...... But alcohol is a) legal b) taxed c) regulated and yet alcohol is a major factor in a lot of crimes. I'm having a hard time seeing how legalizing drug use lead to a reduction in crime. Especailly since a major likely consequence of legalization would be a higher proportion of usage. |
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Post by ChrisC on Dec 3, 2004 23:34:10 GMT -5
Chris,I read that about Jones on another board,butv wouldn`t that only be hearsay? Why bring down others when you are catching the heat? Tim, you're right. It's certainly not going to help the situation. btw, for anyone who missed it, there is a write up on the 20/20 website: abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=297995&page=1 |
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Post by In-Human on Dec 4, 2004 0:13:06 GMT -5
This guy is a piece of sh*t, I would love to choke his sorry ass out, scum bag rat...
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Post by Leviathan on Dec 4, 2004 0:43:33 GMT -5
What I thoroughly enjoy about all this sh*t coming around is that fact that people are actually astounded and "outraged" that pro athletes use drugs. Sweet Mary, is this country packed with hypnotically trained sheep that will buy into the "the won on pure determination and training"? I guess so. We can look forward to all sports getting turned on their head in about the next ten years.
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Post by ifearnoman on Dec 4, 2004 2:03:14 GMT -5
I do agree with that ifear...... But alcohol is a) legal b) taxed c) regulated and yet alcohol is a major factor in a lot of crimes. I'm having a hard time seeing how legalizing drug use lead to a reduction in crime. Especailly since a major likely consequence of legalization would be a higher proportion of usage.[/quote] Chris- it is kind of the trickle down theory. If EVERYTHING was legal, it would be easier to obtain. Hence, crime to get the drugs would be non existant. It would be like walking into a shop and buying it...Easy as that. I think the only regulation would be that you could NOT be driving under the influence of said drugs... |
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Post by Leviathan on Dec 4, 2004 7:50:09 GMT -5
Ifear:
You are correct in your thinking on this: once things become regulated, all "middle men" are essentially cut out and therefore have nothing to gain. But actually getting the government to drop 100 banned substances and make them legal and regulated is a tall order. I believe we will see marijuana become legalized in my lifetime, but I doubt we will see much else.
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Post by ChrisC on Dec 4, 2004 9:37:39 GMT -5
My point is not about crime related to how people obtain the drugs.
My point is that increasing the widespread use of drugs will lead to more crime in the same way that alcohol consumption acts as a catalyst for many crimes. This increase would likely be far greater than any possible decrease resulting from legalization.
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Post by ifearnoman on Dec 4, 2004 10:16:48 GMT -5
Ifear: You are correct in your thinking on this: once things become regulated, all "middle men" are essentially cut out and therefore have nothing to gain. But actually getting the government to drop 100 banned substances and make them legal and regulated is a tall order. I believe we will see marijuana become legalized in my lifetime, but I doubt we will see much else. I agree completely. I just still am unable to understand how alcohol (which more or less killed my grandad, almost did a number on me, AND Tim, and many I have cared about) and cigarettes which kill MANY are still able to be thrive. |
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Post by sockrocker on Dec 4, 2004 10:43:41 GMT -5
My point is not about crime related to how people obtain the drugs. My point is that increasing the widespread use of drugs will lead to more crime in the same way that alcohol consumption acts as a catalyst for many crimes. This increase would likely be far greater than any possible decrease resulting from legalization. the problem is the way in which alcohol exists in america...i support a no age limit rule on alcohol...make it available to EVERYONE...if you do this, then people tend to regard it as just another drink, since they have been drinking it like soda their WHOLE lives...in italy, there is no set age for alcohol consumption, and there is also not a very large problem with alcoholism...people HERE tend to get it and binge on it as soon as they are able to, then become addicted...if an 8yr old kid takes a glass of red wine a week at the dinner table with his family, he is very unlikely to grow up thinking that alcohol is "cool" like most kids that i knew did...everything that you can't have is what you want the most, so just give it to them! |
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