Notice, NO carbs

[beckie]

Good idea Rubes-higher fats have made a HUGE difference to me!

And PS too lower fats can muck with your hormones and make you feel cranky too

[youngblood]

sapphire said:

OK and then I won't get tired and cranky? I will give it a shot. I am curious to see how my body responds.

I've been away for a few days, which is why I wasn't able to chime in here again, till now.

Make sure that you give yourself ample time to adjust. Many dieters, pro BBers included, eat carbs all year round and then when they go low for X amount of time for a contest, they can't handle it.
If you take about 2 weeks (to fully adjust 100%) on the diet, you will feel much MORE strength, concentration, and better focus because you do not have fluctuating insulin levels making you woozy and tired-even if you keep eating every 2 hours.
Most people, think low carbs are 30g/day, like Atkins. When I speak of a low carb diet, I have about 80-120g per day. For the 30g amount, it's nearly impossible to sustain that on a day to day basis.
I get by just fine if I have 80g a day, with enough room to play around. You can have ice cream, a bun with a burger when your co-workers go to Burger King or whatever, or a few pieces of candy during Halloween....Pumpkin pie at Christmas etc....

I respond best to 80g/day, but I can go up to the 120g amount, shortly but I feel I start to hold a bit more fat on my gut when I keep this amount for more than a few days.

[RUBICON19]

YB is right. You must give it time Saph.. 2 weeks at minimum. Your body is going to make a major shift of fuel sources. That is ALOT for it to go through!

[RUBICON19]

Also start with ample calories.. You can always come down after adjusting. Too many people start waaaaay too low..

[RUBICON19]

sapphire said:

OK and then I won't get tired and cranky? I will give it a shot. I am curious to see how my body responds.

Check your PM

[EBA84]

fit said:

I've kept carb to below 100 or even less daily for mighty long stretches. I got lean, but in hindsight I believe it also helped slow down my metabolism too much.

I am sure you did slow your metabolism. The thyroid cannot convert T4 to T3 without some amount of carbs. T3 is the active form of thyroid. Go without carbs long enough and you will shut it down. Ever notice how you run three or four low carb days in a row and you don't lose any weight? Throw a high carb day in and 2 pounds comes off.

Do a search. There are many articles on this topic.

[EBA84]

Here are some highlights from the link I posted at the end:

Serum levels of thyroid hormones, especially of trijodothyronine (T3), are dietary dependent, or more precisely, they are dependent on the amount of dietary carbohydrate.
? A high-carbohydrate nutrition is associated with significantly higher levels of T3, compared with very low-carbohydrate diets.
? Our Palaeolithic ancestors subsisted on a very low-carbohydrate/high-protein diet during a long period of human evolution, a diet that is associated with significantly lower T3 levels.
? Beginning with the agricultural revolution about 10,000 years ago, a dramatic increase in dietary carbohydrate has occurred.
? The addition of considerable amounts of carbohydrate to a low-carbohydrate diet is associated with a significant increase in T3 concentrations.
? Increased T3 concentrations are associated with a higher iodine requirement, that ? in many regions of the world ? exceeds the availability of sufficient amounts of iodine from environmental sources.

www.sciencedirect.com/science...46df938cce 24

[EBA84]

The link I posted is not working but I found another article -

www.thyroidmanager.org/Chapter5/5a-text.htm

Read the "Starvation and Fasting" section.

Although I agree carbs are not necessary to sustain life, they are most definitely necessary for the sport we have choosen and the dieting we do. I think people make themselves carb sensitive by continually depriving themselves of them. The key to dieting and life is moderation.

[beckie]

thanks for that Eric-very interesting!

[EBA84]

beckie said:

thanks for that Eric-very interesting!

You are welcome.

One of the biggest mistakes I see in contest dieting is that people starve themselves for the whole diet and then wonder why they aren't in contest shape. I used to do the same thing when I first started competing. There is definitely a time for low carbs in a diet but there also has to be higher carbs or it just won't work.

[beckie]

So true!

[RUBICON19]

eric84 said:

beckie said:

thanks for that Eric-very interesting!

You are welcome.

One of the biggest mistakes I see in contest dieting is that people starve themselves for the whole diet and then wonder why they aren't in contest shape. I used to do the same thing when I first started competing. There is definitely a time for low carbs in a diet but there also has to be higher carbs or it just won't work.

But what about a Palumbo type diet where there never any high carb days? Cheat meals once per week, but not all the way up to a show. The only different days are protein + veggie only days. Works wonders for many.

[EBA84]

rubicon19 said:

eric84 said:

You are welcome.

One of the biggest mistakes I see in contest dieting is that people starve themselves for the whole diet and then wonder why they aren't in contest shape. I used to do the same thing when I first started competing. There is definitely a time for low carbs in a diet but there also has to be higher carbs or it just won't work.

But what about a Palumbo type diet where there never any high carb days? Cheat meals once per week, but not all the way up to a show. The only different days are protein + veggie only days. Works wonders for many.

My buddy had Palumbo do his diet last year. He had two cheat meals a week. They consisted mainly of carbohydrates and a ton of them. Try a 24 cut pizza and bread sticks the first time. The second time was 4 Classic burger from Denny's and fries. These refeed meals happened once a week to begin with and then went to two a week as he got leaner.Even the Palumbo diet has you take in carbs.

Isn't much different then the CKD diet I do but I eat cleaner carbs and take a whole day to refuel. I will say it again. It is pretty much impossible to get ultra lean without ever eating carbs.

Also the Palumbo diet is fat and protein. There are no vegetables. At least not in the one my buddy I had. I saw it in Palumbo's own hand writing. It is really nothing more then a modified CKD diet.

[RUBICON19]

eric84 said:

rubicon19 said:

But what about a Palumbo type diet where there never any high carb days? Cheat meals once per week, but not all the way up to a show. The only different days are protein + veggie only days. Works wonders for many.

My buddy had Palumbo do his diet last year. He had two cheat meals a week. They consisted mainly of carbohydrates and a ton of them. Try a 24 cut pizza and bread sticks the first time. The second time was 4 Classic burger from Denny's and fries. These refeed meals happened once a week to begin with and then went to two a week as he got leaner.Even the Palumbo diet has you take in carbs.

Isn't much different then the CKD diet I do but I eat cleaner carbs and take a whole day to refuel. I will say it again. It is pretty much impossible to get ultra lean without ever eating carbs.

Also the Palumbo diet is fat and protein. There are no vegetables. At least not in the one my buddy I had. I saw it in Palumbo's own hand writing. It is really nothing more then a modified CKD diet.

Gotchya!

[fit]

Very interesting thread. I appreciate this discussion; plenty of food for thought.

[RUBICON19]

rubicon19 said:

eric84 said:

My buddy had Palumbo do his diet last year. He had two cheat meals a week. They consisted mainly of carbohydrates and a ton of them. Try a 24 cut pizza and bread sticks the first time. The second time was 4 Classic burger from Denny's and fries. These refeed meals happened once a week to begin with and then went to two a week as he got leaner.Even the Palumbo diet has you take in carbs.

Isn't much different then the CKD diet I do but I eat cleaner carbs and take a whole day to refuel. I will say it again. It is pretty much impossible to get ultra lean without ever eating carbs.

Also the Palumbo diet is fat and protein. There are no vegetables. At least not in the one my buddy I had. I saw it in Palumbo's own hand writing. It is really nothing more then a modified CKD diet.

Gotchya!

The CHA diet does the High Pro/ High fat days along with High Pro / High veggie/ Low fat days..

[youngblood]

fit said:

Very interesting thread. I appreciate this discussion; plenty of food for thought.

Are you making a pun? A joke? ;D

[fit]

Maaayyyybe

[RUBICON19]

eric84 said:

rubicon19 said:

But what about a Palumbo type diet where there never any high carb days? Cheat meals once per week, but not all the way up to a show. The only different days are protein + veggie only days. Works wonders for many.

My buddy had Palumbo do his diet last year. He had two cheat meals a week. They consisted mainly of carbohydrates and a ton of them. Try a 24 cut pizza and bread sticks the first time. The second time was 4 Classic burger from Denny's and fries. These refeed meals happened once a week to begin with and then went to two a week as he got leaner.Even the Palumbo diet has you take in carbs.

Isn't much different then the CKD diet I do but I eat cleaner carbs and take a whole day to refuel. I will say it again. It is pretty much impossible to get ultra lean without ever eating carbs.

Also the Palumbo diet is fat and protein. There are no vegetables. At least not in the one my buddy I had. I saw it in Palumbo's own hand writing. It is really nothing more then a modified CKD diet.

Here ya go Eric. From Dave himself:

Many times I'll switch to an alternatiing diet where one day it will be protein/fat......then another protein/vegetables (very little fat). The great thing about the body and fat is that ESSENTIAL FATTY ACIDS can be stored in the muscle for several days, up to 2 weeks......therefore, once an adequate storehouse of Essential Fats are built up, the body can be "tortured" a little and it still won't give up muscle (that's assuming you're still taking in adequate protein. Protein can't be stored).

[EBA84]

Honestly Randy, Palumbo's diet would be the absolute last one I would ever follow. I know a lot of people who have done his diet. The majority of them shriveled up to nothing. His diet works great if you are a light heavyweight or below. If you are a heavy or super heavy, you will be a light heavy or below after you follow it.

Guys who are successful year after year are the guys who are dieting by carb cycling.

Look into the diet philosophies of Chris Aceto. This is how I prefer to diet. Aceto's track record also speaks for itself. The only pro I know that Palumbo helped that did good was Tony Freeman and I think he got lucky one time.