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Post by RUBICON19 on Feb 26, 2008 13:59:22 GMT -5
Honestly Randy, Palumbo's diet would be the absolute last one I would ever follow. I know a lot of people who have done his diet. The majority of them shriveled up to nothing. His diet works great if you are a light heavyweight or below. If you are a heavy or super heavy, you will be a light heavy or below after you follow it. Guys who are successful year after year are the guys who are dieting by carb cycling. Look into the diet philosophies of Chris Aceto. This is how I prefer to diet. Aceto's track record also speaks for itself. The only pro I know that Palumbo helped that did good was Tony Freeman and I think he got lucky one time. I understand Eric. I was never saying that I agree with it.. Thanks for all your input..
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Post by EBA84 on Feb 26, 2008 14:05:29 GMT -5
The one thing I don't like about it is it affects your training directly. Carbs are what give you the fuel to train. Without them your training is going to suffer which is going to indirectly result in muscle loss. Fat and protein cannot sustain your energy levels for intense training.
One other thing. The few guys I know that did this diet successfully actually didn't follow it to the letter the whole way through. They made mods but didn't mention it to Palumbo. Guess what they did??
They added carb days.
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Post by RUBICON19 on Feb 26, 2008 14:09:21 GMT -5
The one thing I don't like about it is it affects your training directly. Carbs are what give you the fuel to train. Without them your training is going to suffer which is going to indirectly result in muscle loss. Fat and protein cannot sustain your energy levels for intense training. One other thing. The few guys I know that did this diet successfully actually didn't follow it to the letter the whole way through. They made mods but didn't mention it to Palumbo. Guess what they did?? They added carb days. True.. I usually go 3 days with Pro/ Fat/ Veggies and then I do a Large carb meal on the third night and just keep that cycle going.
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Post by EBA84 on Feb 26, 2008 14:21:59 GMT -5
Look at Mo's diet. This is a text book example of how it should be done. He has a zero percent chance of losing muscle and will most likely gain some because he isn't starving his body. Of course the macro amounts are set up for him but the basic philosophy would work for just about anyone with some adjustments.
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Post by RUBICON19 on Feb 26, 2008 14:23:58 GMT -5
Look at Mo's diet. This is a text book example of how it should be done. He has a zero percent chance of losing muscle and will most likely gain some because he isn't starving his body. Of course the macro amounts are set up for him but the basic philosophy would work for just about anyone with some adjustments. My prob is that when my carbs go up, I get major stomach issues as well as quick fat gain. Strange, but..
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Post by EBA84 on Feb 26, 2008 14:30:24 GMT -5
Look at Mo's diet. This is a text book example of how it should be done. He has a zero percent chance of losing muscle and will most likely gain some because he isn't starving his body. Of course the macro amounts are set up for him but the basic philosophy would work for just about anyone with some adjustments. My prob is that when my carbs go up, I get major stomach issues as well as quick fat gain. Strange, but.. Is it all carbs that do this? I know I can't eat white rice because it causes me problems similar to yours.
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Post by RUBICON19 on Feb 26, 2008 14:45:19 GMT -5
My prob is that when my carbs go up, I get major stomach issues as well as quick fat gain. Strange, but.. Is it all carbs that do this? I know I can't eat white rice because it causes me problems similar to yours. Yes all. Its nuts I know. I mean I have tried everything under the sun.. Sad, but true. I have learned to deal with it.
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Post by mrky03 on Feb 26, 2008 19:20:06 GMT -5
I don't know how I missed this one, very good thread!
I do well going for no more than 3 days low carbs, protein/veg./fats. Then having a high carb day when I eat starches. It seems like I notice a difference after each 4 day cycle. By the end of the 3'rd day I'm feeling a little weak and jittery and the carbup day does the trick.
I've been able to consistently improve since I discovered this method of dieting.
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Post by Intensity on Feb 27, 2008 10:38:33 GMT -5
The more I'm into this sport, the more I'm sure that carbs are not evil. I mean, yeah we need to reduce, calculate, control and cycle them, but they are determinant for muscle mass retention while dieting.
I'm far from being a very muscular guy and it shows during the off season when I compare myself to my fellow bodybuilding competitors. But what I believe helps me be at least competitive with those guys on contest day, is that I take the on season dieting very seriously and make sure I slowly reduce the carbs and do not lose more than 1-2 lbs each week. That's a priority to me and it's not to a lot of them who decides to be very drastic and lose 6-7 lbs every week during the first weeks. And good news for me it's often half fat but half muscle mass...
That being said, I also know that there is more than one good way to succed...
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Post by mrky03 on Feb 27, 2008 17:30:48 GMT -5
The more I'm into this sport, the more I'm sure that carbs are not evil. I mean, yeah we need to reduce, calculate, control and cycle them, but they are determinant for muscle mass retention while dieting. I'm far from being a very muscular guy and it shows during the off season when I compare myself to my fellow bodybuilding competitors. But what I believe helps me be at least competitive with those guys on contest day, is that I take the on season dieting very seriously and make sure I slowly reduce the carbs and do not lose more than 1-2 lbs each week. That's a priority to me and it's not to a lot of them who decides to be very drastic and lose 6-7 lbs every week during the first weeks. And good news for me it's often half fat but half muscle mass... That being said, I also know that there is more than one good way to succed... Sooo true Mo! Its like you need the right carbs at the right time.
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Post by intenceman on Feb 28, 2008 11:51:29 GMT -5
I get so cranky and tired on very low carbs. All I want to do is sleep. So this does not happen to any of you? No problems concentrating? That is why I did not compete. I just felt terrible all the time. I get that when I carb deplete, especially the week before the show. Im eating somr carbs now, but not a lot, and I want to sleep all the time too. Of course, I've been training brutally hard too, so Im tired a lot as well.
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Post by RUBICON19 on Feb 28, 2008 13:17:31 GMT -5
The more I'm into this sport, the more I'm sure that carbs are not evil. I mean, yeah we need to reduce, calculate, control and cycle them, but they are determinant for muscle mass retention while dieting. I'm far from being a very muscular guy and it shows during the off season when I compare myself to my fellow bodybuilding competitors. But what I believe helps me be at least competitive with those guys on contest day, is that I take the on season dieting very seriously and make sure I slowly reduce the carbs and do not lose more than 1-2 lbs each week. That's a priority to me and it's not to a lot of them who decides to be very drastic and lose 6-7 lbs every week during the first weeks. And good news for me it's often half fat but half muscle mass... That being said, I also know that there is more than one good way to succed... Sooo true Mo! Its like you need the right carbs at the right time. All about the timing...
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Post by beckie on Feb 28, 2008 19:45:08 GMT -5
And of course we are all individuals and one way doesn't work for everyone! I need carbs but alot of you don't but I do respect your individual differences!
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Post by RUBICON19 on Feb 29, 2008 7:55:11 GMT -5
The more I'm into this sport, the more I'm sure that carbs are not evil. I mean, yeah we need to reduce, calculate, control and cycle them, but they are determinant for muscle mass retention while dieting. I'm far from being a very muscular guy and it shows during the off season when I compare myself to my fellow bodybuilding competitors. But what I believe helps me be at least competitive with those guys on contest day, is that I take the on season dieting very seriously and make sure I slowly reduce the carbs and do not lose more than 1-2 lbs each week. That's a priority to me and it's not to a lot of them who decides to be very drastic and lose 6-7 lbs every week during the first weeks. And good news for me it's often half fat but half muscle mass... That being said, I also know that there is more than one good way to succed... Ahhhhhhhh.....ahhhhhh.... You have a mirror??
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Post by Intensity on Feb 29, 2008 11:52:54 GMT -5
I'll take this as a great compliment Randy, thanks :-) but my point is that when I'm off season and meet some fellow off season bodybuilders (who looked similar to me on stage a couple of months ago) they often seem to have twice the muscle mass I have!
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Post by mrky03 on Mar 1, 2008 11:44:32 GMT -5
I'll take this as a great compliment Randy, thanks :-) but my point is that when I'm off season and meet some fellow off season bodybuilders (who looked similar to me on stage a couple of months ago) they often seem to have twice the muscle mass I have! I understand what you're saying Mo. Some of the guys I have competed against will out weigh me by 40lbs. in the off season, but come contest time we're in the same weight class! So much for bulking up!
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Post by youngblood on Mar 1, 2008 20:08:58 GMT -5
And of course we are all individuals and one way doesn't work for everyone! I need carbs but alot of you don't but I do respect your individual differences! We are individuals, yes. But!!! There are only a small percentage of the worlds population that are the exception to the rule.
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