avbg
Novice Bodybuilder
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Post by avbg on Jun 11, 2007 22:03:48 GMT -5
On PBW Lee tells Dan & Bob that he wants back in the IFBB and to do the Olympia this year. Will the POWERS allow this to happen? We all know that "they all" read the boards. Let's tell the IFBB what we think. The official Lee Priest Petition for Reinstatement starts here.
1 Vote to reinstate Lee for the 2007 Mr O.
- "LIVEWIRE"
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Post by youngblood on Jun 11, 2007 23:12:04 GMT -5
My initial reaction is to say "No."
Do I think he should be reinstated? Nope. Guy's a liability.
At least, in a nutshell, and at this hour for me (I'm an old man, 30 and I go to bed at 9pm!) I'll stick with that as my story!
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Post by mrbeefy on Jun 12, 2007 5:48:43 GMT -5
I like Lee. Let him back in! They're just gonna throw him back out again anyways!  |
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Post by picsman on Jun 12, 2007 7:32:45 GMT -5
My initial reaction is to say "No." Do I think he should be reinstated? Nope. Guy's a liability. At least, in a nutshell, and at this hour for me (I'm an old man, 30 and I go to bed at 9pm!) I'll stick with that as my story! I think the interview was for drama...I don't think lee is willing to pay the price the federation wants him to pay to compete...I think the whole interview was a sham...and lee's laughing because of it... |
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Post by GerryT on Jun 12, 2007 8:14:55 GMT -5
If this is not a sham (but suspect George is right), then no to reinstatement. Nothing against Lee, as he is a great athlete if not a bit flaky.
Lee made his bed, so now he lies in it. He knew when he committed to NOC that he would lose IFBB membership and he accepted. He can make money with the U.S. and British shows again. And he is still in Musclemag, so he is not hurting.
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Post by mrbeefy on Jun 12, 2007 8:44:02 GMT -5
AS much as I like Lee........George and Gerry ARE right!
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Post by Rich on Jun 12, 2007 9:52:52 GMT -5
Can someone fill me in on the details? What did he do?
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Post by picsman on Jun 12, 2007 10:35:36 GMT -5
Can someone fill me in on the details? What did he do? According to the IFBB so called membership rules...which they enforce when they want to....No IFBB athlete is allowed to compete or participate in any manner to include: compete in, giving seminars in, or guest posing at any non sanctioned IFBB event. Last year, Lee competed in the Night of Champions which was a PDI event....the IFBB in their complete lack of wisdom...suspended Lee for his participation. The real underlying issue has really nothing to do with Lee...Yes he was outspoken...but his outspokeness was in my opinion as support for the athletes...and he spoke out at what he thought were injustices and/or unfair practices towards the athletes from the IFBB. In reality...the IFBB is only a sanctioning body. They collect dues from the members..."for the privledge" of competing on their stage...The don't pay the athletes anything....the athletes must win an event to get money....so they're not paid a salary...and therefore, the IFBB should not be able to control where, and how the athletes make money. I believe it is a perfect example of an anti-trust violation. That being said...if the IFBB paid the athletes...they (IFBB) may have some legal ground to stand on relative to controling where/how their athletes can compete..but as it stands now..I don't believe they legally have that authority... Anyone can write clauses in their agreement...that doesn't necessarily mean they are legal and binding....but...unless someone actually takes them to court....the rules stand un challanged...no matter how stupid and/or unreasonable they may be... |
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Post by mrbeefy on Jun 12, 2007 10:50:46 GMT -5
George brought up a good point about them not getting paid. They must win the event to get money.
I have attended about 4 Olympia's, and after the Olympia (Sunday), some of the athletes have a meeting with the public for a Q&A session, normally hosted by Bob Chic.
At the one I attended, a few of the athletes (male & female) brought up the fact that they didn't get paid until WELL after the Olympia. Markus Ruhl, in particular, stated he did not get paid for his placing until two years later.
Thinks that make you say, "Hmmmmmmmmmmm!"
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Post by chanman83 on Jun 12, 2007 11:03:59 GMT -5
I say no. To me Lee has always had his issues with the IFBB and to me him leaving for the PDI and all the stuff he has done is a big FU to them. Now that the PDI is like NEAR dead and stuff Lee is SOL when it comes to doing shows. He may have his points on why the IFBB sucks for many athletes and stuff but like some have said, he did what he did and there is no turning back for him. I say NO to lee, again nothing against Lee cause I love his look and stuff but his mouth and actions have burned too many bridges.
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Post by picsman on Jun 12, 2007 11:08:18 GMT -5
I say no. To me Lee has always had his issues with the IFBB and to me him leaving for the PDI and all the stuff he has done is a big FU to them. Now that the PDI is like NEAR dead and stuff Lee is SOL when it comes to doing shows. He may have his points on why the IFBB sucks for many athletes and stuff but like some have said, he did what he did and there is no turning back for him. I say NO to lee, again nothing against Lee cause I love his look and stuff but his mouth and actions have burned too many bridges. PDI near dead?...have you checked their 2007 schedule?...I think they're alive and well....remember...the ifbb didn't become who they are now overnight....and the pdi has done things the ifbb couldn't...such as espn coverage/media exposure for their NOC event....the only media coverage the ifbb gets is webcasts...and a dismally failed ppv....you guys can say anything you want about DeMilia....but he did/does know how to run big shows... |
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Post by GerryT on Jun 12, 2007 11:22:58 GMT -5
No organization is perfect especially IFBB. Good points, George.
My question is: If Lee has been so outspoken about IFBB (and not unjustafiably), then why does he want reinstatement and/or an O invite?
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Post by mrbeefy on Jun 12, 2007 11:25:12 GMT -5
I think having other organizations is a good thing. We've seen what happens when there is only ONE body capitilizing on everything.
And why not? Choice is good.
Just to share a personal experience...
At the NABBA Nationals, there were some PDI "officials" there, that invited some of the athletes to the first PDI show. I think that was great. How would you like to have someone come over to you after a show and invite you to compete?
When I had inquired about competing in the amateur venue now offered at the Arnold, they kind of dismissed me with their "noses in the air."
When one entity dominates an area, there is WAY TOO MUCH prejiduce, and "one way thinking" involved. Whether it's a newspaper, car dealership, or bodybuilding.
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Post by picsman on Jun 12, 2007 11:32:23 GMT -5
No organization is perfect especially IFBB. Good points, George. My question is: If Lee has been so outspoken about IFBB (and not unjustafiably), then why does he want reinstatement and/or an O invite? and my question right back at you is..."does he really"?...last I spoke to him was about comments relating to this on another board....he told me he was just stirring the pot...it was BS....but hey...who knows at this point... |
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Post by chanman83 on Jun 12, 2007 11:39:11 GMT -5
I say no. To me Lee has always had his issues with the IFBB and to me him leaving for the PDI and all the stuff he has done is a big FU to them. Now that the PDI is like NEAR dead and stuff Lee is SOL when it comes to doing shows. He may have his points on why the IFBB sucks for many athletes and stuff but like some have said, he did what he did and there is no turning back for him. I say NO to lee, again nothing against Lee cause I love his look and stuff but his mouth and actions have burned too many bridges. PDI near dead?...have you checked their 2007 schedule?...I think they're alive and well....remember...the ifbb didn't become who they are now overnight....and the pdi has done things the ifbb couldn't...such as espn coverage/media exposure for their NOC event....the only media coverage the ifbb gets is webcasts...and a dismally failed ppv....you guys can say anything you want about DeMilia....but he did/does know how to run big shows... we'll see bout that, showing me a schedule and showing me coverage two diff things IMO. Where was the NOC on espn? I never seen or heard bout that. |
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Post by picsman on Jun 12, 2007 11:40:12 GMT -5
I think having other organizations is a good thing. We've seen what happens when there is only ONE body capitilizing on everything. And why not? Choice is good. Just to share a personal experience... At the NABBA Nationals, there were some PDI "officials" there, that invited some of the athletes to the first PDI show. I think that was great. How would you like to have someone come over to you after a show and invite you to compete? When I had inquired about competing in the amateur venue now offered at the Arnold, they kind of dismissed me with their "noses in the air." When one entity dominates an area, there is WAY TOO MUCH prejiduce, and "one way thinking" involved. Whether it's a newspaper, car dealership, or bodybuilding. I guess we all have issues with one federation or another....I just find it difficult to swallow that any could be so scared and protective of their athletes as to think they could "lose" them....hell...they won't lose anyone....if you stop and think about it...how can the lose anyone they really have no feduciary duty too....IF...they let the athletes compete where they want to....I think you'll find that nobody loses anything....the athletes will still compete in the ifbb....and any other federations...as long as there's a possibility to win money....to me...its a better opportunity for the athletes because it offers them MORE opportunity to get $$$...quite frankly....I don't think the athletes really care about the alphabet federation they're competing in...just as long as they can compete for money....the only ones worried are the federations...and they're worried for nothing....hell...if they treated the athletes right...they wouldn't have to worry....they will retain the athletes they have...and by word of mouth at how good they're being treated....will gain more athletes....but at this rate....I'm not hearing too many stories about the nice things the IFBB is doing on behalf of the athletes....the only thing I hear them doing is lining their own coffers....but hey...that's just my opinion... |
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Post by mrbeefy on Jun 12, 2007 11:45:19 GMT -5
I make it a point to talk to Lee at every event I can find him. Yea, he is the controversial guy. Yea, he stirs the pot...and then some! Yea, he's full of sh__ on a few issues! I think he likes being in the spotlight...I think he likes the attention, even if it is negative attention (kinda like a needy child). For example: The controversy with the IFBB/PDI. The Tat's (see his back lately?) The relationships (yes, I know Cathy and Adela too) The Mag (rag?) jumping....MD...Muscle Mag...next? Racing...(probably making more $ there now) and on the Federation paying them.... Unless you're Mr. Olympia or the Winner of the Arnold...the bucks barely pay for your chicken and "other" stuff. The big $ is in their Suppl endorsements, etc. So who knows...that's Lee I guess. BUT..... I do know that whenever we talk, or e-mail, he always gives his advice willingly and freely (along with his opinion!). ...and you just can't argue with his stage presence. and besides.....you know us "vertically challenged" guys have got to stick together  ;D |
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Post by picsman on Jun 12, 2007 11:48:03 GMT -5
PDI near dead?...have you checked their 2007 schedule?...I think they're alive and well....remember...the ifbb didn't become who they are now overnight....and the pdi has done things the ifbb couldn't...such as espn coverage/media exposure for their NOC event....the only media coverage the ifbb gets is webcasts...and a dismally failed ppv....you guys can say anything you want about DeMilia....but he did/does know how to run big shows... we'll see bout that, showing me a schedule and showing me coverage two diff things IMO. Where was the NOC on espn? I never seen or heard bout that. Actually...I posted the article in MM a long time ago...it was from espn magazine....something the ifbb has NEVER been in since it's inception....what does that tell you about the ifbb's marketing competitence....they only thing they're interested in is hawking supplement powders....and collecting money for nothing...sorry...that's how I've come to feel about them.... The issue is to me...and has always been....they treat the athletes like sh*t.....it's either their way or the hiway.....that's a phucked attitude to take with people off of who's backs you make your bread and butter....what they've lost sight of a long time ago...is that their own existance is predicated on the athletes....bodybuilding athletes were here long before the ifbb...or any other federation for that matter.....without the athletes....there would be NO federations....you cant say that the other way around..... Another more important issues to me is....and I don't care how you feel about gear....is that the federations are responsible for the current public's perception of the sport...this is a niche sport...I think it always was...and always will be...I don't believe it was ever accepted as mainstream....or will be...but...I do believe that the image has been irrepairably damaged....damaged as a direct result of the federations actions or inactions relative to the use of gear in the sport....from the day of Sergio and Arnold to today.....I believe the public's perception has spiraled in a downward flame because of the "look" of the current "stars" in the sport....and it hasn't been helped by the sterioid witch hunt occuring daily in newspapers etc... |
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Post by chanman83 on Jun 12, 2007 11:53:03 GMT -5
we'll see bout that, showing me a schedule and showing me coverage two diff things IMO. Where was the NOC on espn? I never seen or heard bout that. Actually...I posted the article in MM a long time ago...it was from espn magazine....something the ifbb has NEVER been in since it's inception....what does that tell you about the ifbb's marketing competitence....they only thing they're interested in is hawking supplement powders....and collecting money for nothing...sorry...that's how I've come to feel about them.... The issue is to me...and has always been....they treat the athletes like sh*t.....what they've lost sight of a long time ago...is that their own existance is predicated on the athletes....bodybuilding athletes were here long before the ifbb...or any other federation for that matter.....without the athletes....there would be NO federations....you cant say that the other way around..... wasn't the espn article on them going to the Arnold and BASHING THE CRAP out of our great sport? Anyway, I'll retract my comments on PDI being dead because I'm all for it to work. |
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Post by picsman on Jun 12, 2007 12:04:28 GMT -5
Actually...I posted the article in MM a long time ago...it was from espn magazine....something the ifbb has NEVER been in since it's inception....what does that tell you about the ifbb's marketing competitence....they only thing they're interested in is hawking supplement powders....and collecting money for nothing...sorry...that's how I've come to feel about them.... The issue is to me...and has always been....they treat the athletes like sh*t.....what they've lost sight of a long time ago...is that their own existance is predicated on the athletes....bodybuilding athletes were here long before the ifbb...or any other federation for that matter.....without the athletes....there would be NO federations....you cant say that the other way around..... wasn't the espn article on them going to the Arnold and BASHING THE CRAP out of our great sport? Anyway, I'll retract my comments on PDI being dead because I'm all for it to work. Look....everyone's entitled to his/her own opinion....some will like the PDI....some will not....that's life....but a lot of the "negative" stuff was only stirred up on internet boards....Wayne himself on the internet radio...AND at the NOC said that he's not out to compete with the ifbb..or to bring it down...he also in public wished them much success....something you never heard the ifbb say about the pdi....he's only out to provide another avenue by which the athletes have opportunities to win more money...plain and simple...hey...does he want to make money in the process...sure....that's just plain business....the other "hate" found on msg boards and rumors and expetations were all from "outside" the PDI...not from the PDI....it also didn't help that some for lack of a better description....a$$clowns/ifbb puppets on boads like getbent....would go out of their way to discredit the PDI..before they even got their first event off....thank god it was a success...and anyone who say's it wasn't ....I think is fooling themselves....I was an official photog for the show...I saw the finals....the place was packed....and it wasn't because Wayne comp'd the crowd....it wasn't SRO....but it was pretty damn full for a comback/first event.... |
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