Leaving with an explanation

[masterschamp]

I just want to let you guys know I am checking out from this site... I have tons of respect for alot of you folks here and I just want to share with you why I felt it was time to go.
As most of you know I replied to Randy in his contest thread. The WHOLE point of my reply was instead of complainig about the placement, whether he felt like he was cheated or not...try to decide what you can do to be sure it does not happen again. I suggested that if he nailed his conditioning he would have won the show. I even stated that he had far more potential than anyone I saw in the show...again, just nail the conditioning. Well since then it has evolved to the point where I am being accused of name calling (?) and just about every other ill intended thing in the book. I defy anyone to read over everything I wrote and find where I specifically called Randy a name ! or made a specific derogatory remark about him. Believe me...if I have something to say to you then I will. My sole intention was to get the message across that you've got to get over it , move on, and get better. I even mentioned competing against stiffer competition ( higher caliber)...I WOULD NOT have said that if I did not think Randy was capable of that. In fact from what I saw in the pictures he was the only one in that show that could move up based on his potential. Pretty terrible stuff, huh? Now I'm getting childish threats in pm's....c'mon...is this what mature people do? Middle school bullsh*t!? This is the kind of bullsh*t you find at Getbig.com. I just don't have the patience or the time to deal with such childish behavior. All I ever asked was that instead of insisting I had it all wrong, Randy may have been the one to misinterpret what I was trying to say, and to step back and really read what I wrote from an objective viewpoint. He couldn't or wouldn't even try to do that...whatever. I have NEVER tried to demean the efforts of anyone here as I know how hard I work at this game. I have willingly given advice and time whenever asked over the past three years.... if I tell someone they could improve on something it is because I WANT TO SEE THEM REACH THEIR POTENTIAL. However, I guess some people for whatever reasons can't get past themselves and hear what I am REALLY saying.
As I said this is just not the type of place I wish to spend my time if that is the tone here. Good luck to all of you...yes, Randy, you too. I still think you can go a long way in this sport.......what a terrible thing for me to say!

Hopefully I will get the opportunity to meet some of you guys over the years at future competitions. Train hard, stay focused, and never say die!!


Keith

[GerryT]

Keith, sorry it came to this and you will be missed. Hope you will reconsider at some point, and know that I speak for Tim in saying that you would always be welcome here. Know that Tim will be sad about your departure.

Wish you only the best, on and off stage. Lots of luck!

[sapphire]

NOOOO!! MC don't go! PLEASE!!

[ntrllftr]

I have been reading these boards but have not posted in a while myself.
I had something similar happen to me a few years ago on another site and people took what I said the wrong way. That is why I try to keep my responses on the General board and TRY not to offend anyone. I know exactly how you feel man. Move on and try not to think about it until time heals the wound.
Take care man!

[mrbeefy]

MC/Keith,

I'd like to echo Saph.

There are a lot of good people here. I've kinda been where you're at, so I understand.

I think Eric and I had a misunderstanding awhile back, and I considered stepping back too, until I talked with Tim, then I reconsidered. I still look forward to Erics suggestions, and understand him better now too.

This is a community, so you'll find all types here, just like anywhere else. YOU are an asset to this community. Many of us look forward to your input, and enjoy watching your progress.

As far a what happend with you, don't sweat the small stuff. I know it's probably more of an irritant than anything else, but bodybuilders don't quit. They overcome.

Keith....OVERCOME Brother!
Hang with us a bit longer............ ;D

Frank

[Hoopie]

Keith

i really hate to see you leave this board. I am not going to get into a long drawn out speech because you know how i feel about you and the teachings and guidance you have given me. If you do go i hope to stay in touch with ya either by my cell phone or others means. If ya still got my cell #, fire up the lines when ever ya get a chance my friend. An i will see ya in October!!!

[EBA84]

mrbeefy said:

MC/Keith,


I think Eric and I had a misunderstanding awhile back, and I considered stepping back too, until I talked with Tim, then I reconsidered.

We did have a misunderstanding but it is water under the bridge. We talked and everything is cool. One thing about life is it is full of misunderstandings that we all must overcome.

[1705total]

Keith,
I hope you take some time to reconsider. I know many members have a ton of respect for you and wish you nothing but the best. I truely enjoy this board more then any other on the net, because of its family atmosphere.

If you do go, then I wish you all the best in the future, and hope to see take your class next year at the nationals.

Your a good man Keith,
you will be missed

[GerryT]

Keith, if you are reading these, hope it is an incentive to reconsider. If not now, maybe later on.

You are respected here and would love to see you stay or at least return later on. Will keep in touch regardless. You are a good guy! All the best.

[Karrie]

Keith,
I am saddened to see that you are no longer going to post here. You are a HUGE part of this forum, and one valuable member here! I also hope you take some time to reconsider, you will be greatly missed.

[Rich]

I'm still pretty new here. I don't know much of the history of this board. I DO know that Keith and Randy are both guys I respect a lot on this board. However I've been around the boards for about 8 years now, almost every day, and I see sh*t like this happen all the time - once even to me. And I'll tell you what, it almost always boils down to reading things in your own voice instead of the voice it was written.

Keith, I don't even know if you'll read this, since you say you are leaving. However if you do, here's an objective take.

I read Randy's entire thread. I read your responses and I read others' responses to them. Not once did I even think there was a problem brewing until you posted that you were pissed off. See, that's the funny thing about the written word. You give it the tone and inflection that you think it should have. We all do. What I was reading was some great feedback from you (and others), and some points from Randy about how he thought that he was conditioned ENOUGH to beat the guys that beat him. You actually said so as well. Plus both of you agreed that Randy could be much tighter. That is the gist of what I read.

If you wouldn't mind following the advice of some guy you barely know (me), read that thread again, only force yourself to use "calm, happy, respectful" voices instead of aggravated or insulting ones. When people use caps, read it as emphasis instead of anger. I THINK ( ) you'll see that there was nothing going on there (though I can't speak for PM's).

You are one of the reasons that I come here. I'd hate to see you go.

[masterschamp]

I'm gonna reply one more time in this thread for several reasons:

First:
I want to thank those you who have posted such kind wishes and thoughts here in the public forum and also to those of you who have chosen to send so many personal e-mails expressing your feelings over the situation. They will not be forgotten. As I have said before I have so much respect and admiration for most of you here that to leave is not something I am taking lightly.Which leads me to the next point

Second;
I will NOT be returning to this site...not now, not later, not ever.....but it has nothing to do with the vast majority of you folks. My whole life revolves around earning and showing respect. Rightly or not, when I lose all respect for someone...it's over.... plain and simple.....I wil not have anything to do with that person again, or anything they happened to be associated with. In this particular case, not only have I been accused of doing things that I certainly have not (name calling?). The individual in question kept putting words in my mouth telling me what I meant when I simply was trying to get him to look at things form a different perspective. I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I really don't like it when someone else insists on telling me what I'm thinking , particularly when they have it so wrong. But that would not have still lead me to the decision to leave.

Third:
Why I am leaving............
I recieved an e-mail fro the individual in question, and I'm quoting exactly:
"Say it to my face, biyotch!"
Now my reply was "I just did." To which I then received an e-mail that was inteneded to be a threat taht beagn with "FU, dude"..real classy!
Now stop and think for a minute about those e-mails.
First of all, it is so juvenile it is almost laughable....I mean c'mon.... a supposedly grown man acting like he's still in Middle School. And isn't this guy doing exactly what he had accused me of doing...name calling? I still defy anyone to find ANYTHING in any post in that thread where I specifically called him a name. Now, on a whole other level I want all of you guys out there, particularly those of you closer to my age, to consider what would happen if someone half your age were to talk to you like that. I know what the other Pittsburgh guys would do, as well as any other man out there with self respect............and that leads to the issue of respect itself....how can I ever respect anyone who acts, and talks to me like that? Was I supposed to be afraid....sorry, but not hardly! Was I supposed to be impressed....sorry again! I mean what is your point in acting like that ....who are you trying to impress? Does it make you feel like you're a tough guy? I mean, c'mon...I'm twice your age....I've seen more than you could ever believe, and come across more REAL tough characters than you could count! Do you honestly think ANYTHING you could say is going to worry me? Again, if it wasn't so sad, it would be laughable! The immaturity of that behavior is astounding!!! And that leads to the further issue of why I won't even consider returning here:

Fourth:
As a moderator at this site, a person is supposed to reflect the values and character that is expected of the board members to be demonstated at all times. If this is the way a moderator at this site chooses to communicate with a member, then it really is a site that is not worth my time. Yes...one bad apple CAN spoil the bunch! I have never cursed at, threatened, or purposely belittled anyone on this site.......when you got a moderator who is engaging in such childish behavior...then it is time to move on.
You see...in my job as a Guidance Counselor, I deal witht these types of personality issues every day....BUT, I'm talking about 10-13 year old kids!! I really have no desire to have to deal with those same personality issues when they are being exhibited by a 25 year old, supposedly, grown man. I have more important things to do with my time.

Again...I truly respect most of you here...my time here, up until recently, has been terrific, and I hope I have in some way helped many of you in your quest in this sport. Those of you who would like to do so know you can e-mail anytime for any help you might seek....I will be glad to assist you in any way tha I can.
God Bless you guys and take care......

Keith

[Intensity]

I cant believe it, I'm feeling as if I am reading muscle mayhem. In the Randy's thread, Gerry nicely asked for people to stop the bashing. The thread has even been locked. And now what am I seeing? Another thread (who seemed to be on the right track with positive and constuctive comments) is turning into free bashing and personal attacks...

It is sad, really.

[masterschamp]

I'm not BASHING anyone, Mo....I'm just telling the TRUTH. I just wanted the good folks here to know why I am really leaving and why I won't be back. I think they DESERVE to know the truth. I have nothing to hide, Mo. Randy is your friend....I understand. Good luck to both of you.

Keith

[GerryT]

I think that anyone saying any more about this would only be counterproductive and repetitive. It seems like everything has been said.

I wish Keith the best, and the same for everyone here. I really think we have to move on now.

Thanks.