Dorians Thought on Vit. C...

[Thinkbig]

Hey bro's I just read an article published in Flex several years back, which Dorian Yates was quoted saying " he took in up to Seven, count 7 grams of Vitamin C daily."

I have researched this a bit and it seems beyond its ability to scavenge free radicals(antioxidant capabilaties) it can also be a potent cortisol diminisher.

Dorian suppossed thattaking in one gram upon waking and three before and after training would get the job done.

...As a side not Hawain Natural Champion Chris Faildo thinks that this is a MUST for preserving the utmost LBM. when dieting naturally.

[tleilaxutank]

I take a gram before I goto bed and when I get up. Not so much because I know what it does for me but because I like the tast of the orange chew tabs so much! Yum Yum!

[Thinkbig]

Yeah as a child I would eat 3-5 of those a day from my dads med. cabinet.

[MassiveG]

I never was able to go very high on vitamin C with out stomach acid.
G's got acid reflux but I still would throw down 3-5 grams a day.
Now I take Ester-C which is pretty much non acidic and easily throw down 6 grams a day. I also take NAC at times and Vitamin C is a must.
Good for muscle recouperation-2 grams goes down the hatch with the post work out shake.
I'll post my flushing cycle on here for those to see.

[Thinkbig]

N-Acetyle-Cysteine? what exactlt does this do?

I have heard many things about it...never used it straight out, has been in some things I have took tho'.


So you too, think that Vit. Cis good to take pre- post workout.

[Tim Wescott]

I do 2 grams a day, at 500 mgs. per dose,4 doses...obviously.

Vit. C has been called "Muscle Cement" ,and is great for recuperating from hard workouts, as well as a myriad of other benefits.

[Thinkbig]

Thats cool Tim,!!!
I was thinking of 2 grams upon rising 2 grams thirty min. before training and 2 grams immdiately after training.

what do you think guys(Tim, "G" BFX etc.)

[MassiveG]

ThinkBIG said:

N-Acetyle-Cysteine? what exactlt does this do?

I have heard many things about it...never used it straight out, has been in some things I have took tho'.


So you too, think that Vit. Cis good to take pre- post workout.

I'd take it post work out as well in the morning and at night
i just wrote/posted about NAC here for you and others on here:
timwescott.proboards18.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1100901859

[Thinkbig]

You are Da' freakin man "G"!!!

[Tim Wescott]

ThinkBIG said:

Thats cool Tim,!!!
I was thinking of 2 grams upon rising 2 grams thirty min. before training and 2 grams immdiately after training.

what do you think guys(Tim, "G" BFX etc.)

I`d do it if I were you.

You are about 4 times my size ;D and it`s water soluble anyway, so you`ll just excrete whatever the body doesn`t use!

[Tim Wescott]

MassiveG said:

I'd take it post work out as well in the morning and at night
i just wrote/posted about NAC here for you and others on here:
timwescott.proboards18.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1100901859

Thanks G,I read that on MM...good stuff!

[Thinkbig]

Tim said:

You are about 4 times my size

;D Well Ummm NOT 4 times!!! ;D

[Tim Wescott]

ThinkBIG said:

;D Well Ummm NOT 4 times!!! ;D

Just about you freakin` monster!! ;D

Lend me a little muscle will ya` ?

[Thinkbig]

Guys, Tim is really about 298lbs. of sinewy hard oldman!!! ;D

He actually wrote some diet tips in the original scripture, but Jesus already had abs and thought it wasn't prudent...lol!!!!

[Tim Wescott]

HEY,don`t go giving away my secrets now....God/Jesus will get you for that!! ;D

[Thinkbig]

Just playing BRO!!! ;D

Honestly, I admire your Physique disregarding age...But damn if I could acheive that @ your age would be awesome!

[Tim Wescott]

Thank you my friend...you know how to pump up an old geezers ego!! ;D

[str8flexed]

ThinkBIG said:

Hey bro's I just read an article published in Flex several years back, which Dorian Yates was quoted saying " he took in up to Seven, count 7 grams of Vitamin C daily."

I have researched this a bit and it seems beyond its ability to scavenge free radicals(antioxidant capabilaties) it can also be a potent cortisol diminisher.

Dorian suppossed thattaking in one gram upon waking and three before and after training would get the job done.

...As a side not Hawain Natural Champion Chris Faildo thinks that this is a MUST for preserving the utmost LBM. when dieting naturally.

this is why a little knowledge is more dangerous than none. Very few people realize that all anti-oxidants can become pro-oxidants when they are taken in high enough doses... meaning they can act as free radicals if the dose is high enough. Those that understand radical/redox chemistry understand this very well... that's why there are very few medical professionals who recommend high dose anti-ox.
-Layne

[Thinkbig]

Layne, I agree that under some circumstances this much Vit. C might be a bad thing....But if you are hard training and presenting a need for increase free radical scavengers then this should not pose a problem.

Also, I have been taking the Vit. C on schedule as I have posted and I have noticed a really weird thing... I am not as sore as before, after workouts...how can this be if I am causing more damage than good?

...Perhaps I was deficient, no matter I am just glad I found something to bring me that much more further into building LBM.

I beleive that when we are training hard or training at all for that matter, we present a unique situation in the body that is hard to duplicate with ordinary people of a controlled sedentary lifestyle, which is how most studies are done...Furthermore I beleive that just because it is shown to do No good with people in studies that its ok and plain good sense to take Vit. C.

[BeeJ]

str8flexed said:

this is why a little knowledge is more dangerous than none. Very few people realize that all anti-oxidants can become pro-oxidants when they are taken in high enough doses... meaning they can act as free radicals if the dose is high enough. Those that understand radical/redox chemistry understand this very well... that's why there are very few medical professionals who recommend high dose anti-ox.
-Layne

This is something I rarely see get brought up on the message boards and its a great point. Absorbic acid (Vit-C) is a very well-researched water soluable vitamin, yet most people don't know about it's pro-oxidant properties.

The main reason you should avoid taking high doses (or at least rethink doing such) is Vit-C's ability to increase dietary iron absorption. To someone like a BB who is eating high amounts of red meat for example, this could lead to health problems as iron's pro-oxidant properties are linked to cardiovascular disorder, particularly in men. Not only that, but as str8 pointed out, Vit-C in itself can become pro-oxidative when in excess. IMO, most people only need to take in about 250mg 1-2X daily in addition to what your diet already provides. Also, do not take Vit-C along with iron or iron containing meals.