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Post by sockrocker on Dec 21, 2004 0:38:20 GMT -5
anyone have any info on how soy milk runs its course? Is it a slow digesting protein/are the sugars similar to milk sugars?
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Post by Tim Wescott on Dec 21, 2004 0:49:53 GMT -5
I never use soy products,too much estrogen.
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Post by Maximum6 on Dec 21, 2004 0:55:04 GMT -5
if i ever eat soy..it would have to be tofu. You should really try the tofu dishes chinese restaurants cook up...hmmmm Soy milk i used to drink..but now i know they have "sugar" as an ingredient...at least the ones i buy.
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Post by sockrocker on Dec 21, 2004 9:50:26 GMT -5
I never use soy products,too much estrogen. i was curious about that too, and here is what i found at a vegan bodybuilding forum: the question was: "I don't recommend soy protein to anyone other than vegans because they contain too many phytoestrogens."--a nutritionist What are phytoestrogens? and the anwer: They're plant estrogens. They a few interesting qualities: (1) they're antioxidants, (2) they block the more-potent human estrogen from docking at estrogen receptors, thereby decreasing the effect of estrogen-dependent health problems, (3) they reduce LDL cholesterol and increase HDL cholesterol, (4) in sufficient quantities, they reduce testosterone levels, thereby decreasing the effect of androgen-dependant health issues, and (5) they stop the conversion of testosterone to DHT, thereby stopping (theoretically) hair loss in men. Soy protein is thought to decrease T levels, but atheletes gain as much muscle using it as they do when using whey protein. Soy protein also reduces oxidative stress to muscle tissue, while whey doesn't. Finally, dairy proteins typically *increase* estrogen levels, whereas soy protein *lowers* estrogen levels. So, it could be used by someone looking to protect their muscles, avoid hair loss, increase their antioxidant intake, protect themselves against cancer, etc. My guess is the nutritionist doesn't know what he/she is talking about.
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Post by sockrocker on Dec 21, 2004 9:51:45 GMT -5
the mod at the board (Mike...not same mike from MM) has alot of good info and studies on his site, in case you wanted to peruse it for yourself veganfitness.proboards20.com/index.cgibtw, know you're probably wondering why i didn't just ask about soy milk at that board, but it's because like me and mike are more or less the only posting members, lol, so it takes quite a while to get anything answered
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Post by Tim Wescott on Dec 21, 2004 10:29:54 GMT -5
i was curious about that too, and here is what i found at a vegan bodybuilding forum: the question was: "I don't recommend soy protein to anyone other than vegans because they contain too many phytoestrogens."--a nutritionist What are phytoestrogens? and the anwer: They're plant estrogens. They a few interesting qualities: (1) they're antioxidants, (2) they block the more-potent human estrogen from docking at estrogen receptors, thereby decreasing the effect of estrogen-dependent health problems, (3) they reduce LDL cholesterol and increase HDL cholesterol, (4) in sufficient quantities, they reduce testosterone levels, thereby decreasing the effect of androgen-dependant health issues, and (5) they stop the conversion of testosterone to DHT, thereby stopping (theoretically) hair loss in men. Soy protein is thought to decrease T levels, but atheletes gain as much muscle using it as they do when using whey protein. Soy protein also reduces oxidative stress to muscle tissue, while whey doesn't. Finally, dairy proteins typically *increase* estrogen levels, whereas soy protein *lowers* estrogen levels. So, it could be used by someone looking to protect their muscles, avoid hair loss, increase their antioxidant intake, protect themselves against cancer, etc. My guess is the nutritionist doesn't know what he/she is talking about. Pretty interesting stuff Sock,I`m going to have to look into this a bit further. I do know that soy is an incomplete protein ,but of course when combned with complete sources,it becomes complete also. Thanks dude!!
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Post by Maximum6 on Dec 21, 2004 11:02:30 GMT -5
hang on..i thought soy was a complete protein..that's why there is soy protein powder and such
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Post by sockrocker on Dec 21, 2004 11:07:22 GMT -5
hang on..i thought soy was a complete protein..that's why there is soy protein powder and such i thought that it was complete too...someone else has said that when it comes to bodybuilding it is not a complete protein, but i don't know what "when it comes to bodybuilding" means
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Post by Tim Wescott on Dec 21, 2004 11:23:00 GMT -5
Soy is an incomplete protein in that it doesn`t contain all of the essential amino acids that would make it complete.
If you took a soy protein powder, and mixed it with milk,which is a complete protein,then the amino acid profile of the soy, also becomes complete!!
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