Thinkbig
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Post by Thinkbig on Dec 18, 2004 15:40:11 GMT -5
Just wanted to pick the knowledgable bro's brains about a few supplements that I have interest in. Who here has/is currently taking said product, what are your thoughts, give us some feedback, and be detailed (i.e. what brand, dose, etc.) - Creatine Ethyl Ester
- R-Alpha Lipoic Acid
- BCAA's
- Hydrolyzed Whey Protein
- Nitric Oxide Inducers
These are the supplements that I continue to hear about, I have reserached for myself and am wanting some outside information from those who do/have taken the following products.
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Post by Tim Wescott on Dec 18, 2004 16:12:03 GMT -5
Damn,I`m outta` the loop TB..........the only one of these that I`ve tried are BCAA`s !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Thinkbig on Dec 18, 2004 16:24:21 GMT -5
Yeah, no doubt you don't need them to grow!!! ;D
Seriously though, you/or I do not NEED THEM to grow but they can offer an athlete a benefit, according to the latest research.
That is also why I wanted to ask you guys for your opinion on them...
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Post by Tim Wescott on Dec 18, 2004 16:28:07 GMT -5
I hear ya`.....should be a good topic!
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Post by naturalguy on Dec 18, 2004 18:44:14 GMT -5
CEE- no difference from creatine monohydrate for me RALA- never tried it BCAA's- good supp but if you are taking a good quality whey you don't need extra BCAA unless you are dieting Hydrolyzed whey- I have been using VP2 for a number of years, I like it, digested easy and fast NO- never tried it but from my understanding they just really help with the pump, doesn't do much for muscle growth
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Post by BeeJ on Dec 19, 2004 0:22:43 GMT -5
CEE- Same as a good creatine monohydrate IMO, but I've heard a lot to contradict that. Makes sense, at least theoretically that it would be better, but sometimes theory and practice don't work out like you think they should. This is the case for me. RALA- Not a fan. Don't suppose it could hurt if you have the change. BCAA- Post workout and that's it. Not the type of thing that is going to make a drastic difference if you have adequate protein intake. Hydrolyzed Whey Protein- Good stuff. Works great post workout or as a mix in shakes. Not profoundly different than Ion-Exchange or other forms of higher grade whey though. NO- BS, even if they do work so what? You are getting a transient increase in blood flow. You can get the same natural release of NO while simply weight training. Chronic use of this isn't going to do anything for you. If you love a good pump go for it, but I don't really care what happens in the gym, it's what happens outside of it that counts. The whole theory behind really doesn't make a lot of sense to promote muscle mass. It's akin to using an ice-pick to break up concrete when you could be searching for a jack-hammer.
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Post by str8flexed on Dec 19, 2004 0:44:15 GMT -5
- Creatine Ethyl Ester
- R-Alpha Lipoic Acid
- BCAA's
- Hydrolyzed Whey Protein
- Nitric Oxide Inducers
creatine ethyl ester has no research other than "in-house" research to show that it is more effective than regular creatine monohydrate... and regardless of absorption issues, creatine monohydrate still saturates the cells with regular usage... and this is all that matters. You just pay more with CEE R-ala: good supplement but regular ala is almost as good and much much cheaper BCAA's: rich in leucine which is the most potent amino acid as far as activating mTOR pathway and stimulating protein synthesis, but probably unnessecary if you take in enough total protein unless you are an endurance athlete or have very long (over 2 hours) training sessions. hydrolyzed: unless you get stomach problems from WPC, it's not worth it. But whey isolate would be just as good and it would taste better and cost a bit less NO potentiators: they have a lot of promise. I used to think they were total crap until I came across some new research that seems to indicate that they may indeed be helpful. I plan to do some research on them in my lab sometime in the future. -Layne
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Post by str8flexed on Dec 19, 2004 0:48:01 GMT -5
BeeJ that transparant increase in bloodflow is VERY important. Your body does it to a certain degree anyway. Ever wonder what advantage pumping blood into the area being exercised provides?... greater amino acid delivery.... and transport from the blood to the interstitial fluid appears to be the rate-limiting factor of amino acid uptake... so the pump may actually be one way by which the body acts to increase muscle synthesis... by providing a greater concentration of amino acids to the area being worked. look for an article on this by me in the months to come
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Post by BeeJ on Dec 19, 2004 1:06:50 GMT -5
BeeJ that transparant increase in bloodflow is VERY important. Your body does it to a certain degree anyway. Ever wonder what advantage pumping blood into the area being exercised provides?... greater amino acid delivery.... and transport from the blood to the interstitial fluid appears to be the rate-limiting factor of amino acid uptake... so the pump may actually be one way by which the body acts to increase muscle synthesis... by providing a greater concentration of amino acids to the area being worked. look for an article on this by me in the months to come Your only increasing amino acid uptake for how long though? Less than 60 minutes or so correct? Why is this so outstanding? Just seems like you could be focusing on creating something that improves nitrogen retention 24/7.
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Post by Liftingchic on Dec 19, 2004 3:25:23 GMT -5
only thing i have used is BCAA's and i still use them today.. I use them post workout. and like them
LC
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Post by naturalguy on Dec 19, 2004 8:45:47 GMT -5
BeeJ that transparant increase in bloodflow is VERY important. Your body does it to a certain degree anyway. Ever wonder what advantage pumping blood into the area being exercised provides?... greater amino acid delivery.... and transport from the blood to the interstitial fluid appears to be the rate-limiting factor of amino acid uptake... so the pump may actually be one way by which the body acts to increase muscle synthesis... by providing a greater concentration of amino acids to the area being worked. look for an article on this by me in the months to come I thought the pump was actuallly trapped blood in a muscle, not actual blood flow.
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Post by masterschamp on Dec 19, 2004 9:21:19 GMT -5
Haven't used any of them and don't plan to. I only supplement glutamine on a regular basis with some whey isolate (only when I can't get a whole- food meal in).I rely on whole foods for 95% of my nutritional needs. (ala John defendis and Tom Prince to name just 2) And in all honesty, I look at some who are "on to" every new thing to improve performance that comes down the pike, and I gotta ask myself "what's the big deal?"Now I know it's old school, but I have been satisfied with my approach,especially when I compare what I've been able to do without alot of the stuff floating around out there with alot of guys I know who take "everything". I would rather spend my time busting my ass in the gym,relying on my hard work, than wondering about catching that "magic bullet".
Keith
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Post by Tim Wescott on Dec 19, 2004 10:08:24 GMT -5
Haven't used any of them and don't plan to. I only supplement glutamine on a regular basis with some whey isolate (only when I can't get a whole- food meal in).I rely on whole foods for 95% of my nutritional needs. (ala John defendis and Tom Prince to name just 2) And in all honesty, I look at some who are "on to" every new thing to improve performance that comes down the pike, and I gotta ask myself "what's the big deal?"Now I know it's old school, but I have been satisfied with my approach,especially when I compare what I've been able to do without alot of the stuff floating around out there with alot of guys I know who take "everything". I would rather spend my time busting my ass in the gym,relying on my hard work, than wondering about catching that "magic bullet". Keith I guess I`m stuck in a time warp too, as I only use a few basic supplement too! :Boring: ;D I`m not one to spend a lot of coin on everything that comes out monthly, but once it`s determined to be effective, if indeed it is.........I might give it a shot.
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Post by BeeJ on Dec 19, 2004 12:48:25 GMT -5
I guess I`m stuck in a time warp too, as I only use a few basic supplement too! ;D I`m not one to spend a lot of coin on everything that comes out monthly, but once it`s determined to be effective, if indeed it is.........I might give it a shot. I always try things that make sense out of curiosity and the fact that I am a single guy with extra money to spend each month. I always figure, why not try out something new if it makes theoretical sense that it would work. I have a friend who owns a supplement/nutrition store in town and he gives me a big discount to try out new things and tell him what I think. There are also usually really good deals on the internet if you know where to look. I also don't like to give an opinion on something unless I have tried it. Currently I am not using any of the above except for BCAA's which are in a post-workout blend of mine. The staples for me have always been a good multi-V, fish oils, post-workout shake, protein blend shake for the rest of the day, and of course lots of food and water. Really though, once I started using "super supps" there is absolutely no comparison to anything legal on the market. I just try new things for fun and curiosity more than anything.
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Post by Tim Wescott on Dec 19, 2004 13:27:44 GMT -5
I used to take a boatload of different supps .........my dresser would literally be covered with bottles and jugs of tons of different stuff.
The downside was,I took so many different pills and powders,I had no way of telling which one was working or not working. ;D
Today I keep it simple and basic, and take a whey protein powder,Vits C,E,and B complex,Calcium,Zinc,and at times a chelated mineral, and Multi-Vitamin tab.
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Post by BeeJ on Dec 19, 2004 13:36:13 GMT -5
I used to take a boatload of different supps .........my dresser would literally be covered with bottles and jugs of tons of different stuff. The downside was,I took so many different pills and powders,I had no way of telling which one was working or not working. ;D Today I keep it simple and basic, and take a whey protein powder,Vits C,E,and B complex,Calcium,Zinc,and at times a chelated mineral, and Multi-Vitamin tab. What about Cialis...Viagra maybe? ;D
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Post by Tim Wescott on Dec 19, 2004 14:37:51 GMT -5
What about Cialis...Viagra maybe? ;D Don`t need those bad boys yet!! ;D :Rocker Dude:
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Post by ifearnoman on Dec 19, 2004 14:52:37 GMT -5
which Multi vit are you taking tim? I am looking for a good one.
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Post by Tim Wescott on Dec 19, 2004 15:05:03 GMT -5
I haven`t re-upped yet Chad, but I usually just get the GNC brand................ nothing fancy!!
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Post by Milly on Dec 20, 2004 13:11:59 GMT -5
5 years ago I used to have access to getting supps below retail and slightly below wholesale. Anyways I got to try alot of different things and in the end it came down to this for me that had any value in this order
Food First Protein Powder Vitamins/minerals Ephedrine Creatine
Everything else was either just good in theory(ex pyruvate, hmb, glutamine, beee pollen, ok couldnt resit the last one, etc) or just wasnt worth spending money on when the list I just made would give me the same results
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