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Post by TNA on May 23, 2005 13:56:30 GMT -5
I'm sure some may view this as a silly question but I'm very confused. I'm in the 3rd week of my cutting phase but my PWO shake is questionable. I'm still using whey and dextrose (44g:88g ratio). My question is this. Should I drop the carbs completely for my PWO shake or should I replace the dextrose for some oatmeal?
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Post by ntrllftr on May 23, 2005 14:58:31 GMT -5
Personally I take in the bulk of my carbs first thing in the morning when cutting. My PWO
drink when I train in the evening has about 10 grams of carbs in it. The body still needs some carbs for recovery, so I would not eliminate them completely for a PWO drink.
I do not eat oatmeal after noon either. That is just me tho.
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Post by TNA on May 23, 2005 16:44:40 GMT -5
Thanks ntrllftr. I guess I should re-adjust my diet a bit. I'll consume the majority of my carbs in the am and tone them down afterwards. With just the whey, my PWO drink has 6 grams of carbs. I think this should be okay on its own.
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Post by Maximum6 on May 23, 2005 19:47:38 GMT -5
are you sure 6-10g of carb is sufficient pwo? it seems like the body can absorb alot more after workout...and 10g doesn't seem like it would do much for recovery..
but then again...i've seen bodybuilders who just take in Protein Pwo...
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Post by TNA on May 23, 2005 19:56:48 GMT -5
are you sure 6-10g of carb is sufficient pwo? it seems like the body can absorb alot more after workout...and 10g doesn't seem like it would do much for recovery.. but then again...i've seen bodybuilders who just take in Protein Pwo... I see your point Max ...but I think since I'm shredding (cutting up) I need to limit my carbs. And since I workout in the afternoon, that means I won't be adding in the 88 g of dextrose that I use off season. I'll just add some dry oats. |
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Post by Intensity on May 23, 2005 19:59:39 GMT -5
Hi TNA,
If there is carbs that i would not eleminate it's the post workout carbs. But i would suggest to reduce the amount! For exemple, off season i drink a post workout shake of 60g of proteins and 75g of carbs. But when i prepare myself for a contest i reduce the carbs to 50g... than 30g. But never less than that, even if i train at 7h00 PM. I also suggest to continu to use dextrose or maltodextrose as your post workout carbs source.
The rest of the day, i would eat a minimum of carbs from complex carbs food. And like ntrllftr i eat more carbs first thing in the morning. (for exemple 45g of carbs from oatmeal)
It's just an opinion, i hope it can help!
Mo
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Post by TNA on May 23, 2005 20:18:04 GMT -5
Thanks for the info Intensity! This is great stuff. Like I said initially, I'm confused. But I'm getting a lot of useful information. So at 44 g of protein, how much dextrose would you suggest?
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Post by ntrllftr on May 23, 2005 20:29:08 GMT -5
I should have said to experiment a little. Maybe first start taking in about 30 grams like intensity said for 2 weeks, and if your results are not to your standards then drop to 20 grams and see what happens and so on.
Every one reacts different. 10 just seems to be good for me since I am a little guy. he he
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Post by TNA on May 23, 2005 20:32:29 GMT -5
Gotcha! (I'm actually getting this stuff now!!!) I'll try 30 g for the next 2 weeks and see how it goes.
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Post by RUBICON19 on May 23, 2005 21:59:37 GMT -5
I find that I do well on training days with 50-60 grams of carbs in the AM. 20-30 grams of carbs 1-2 hours pre workout. 30-60 gram sof carbs post workout. Right now leaning toward 30 grams post from potato. This all changes day to day according to how I feel...
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Post by RUBICON19 on May 23, 2005 22:00:31 GMT -5
Non training day(just cardio) Carbs are VERY low...
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Post by str8flexed on May 24, 2005 0:57:05 GMT -5
Personally I take in the bulk of my carbs first thing in the morning when cutting. My PWO drink when I train in the evening has about 10 grams of carbs in it. The body still needs some carbs for recovery, so I would not eliminate them completely for a PWO drink. I do not eat oatmeal after noon either. That is just me tho. it is much more important to have carbs around your training than it is to have them in the morning. I would consider reconstructing your carb rationing. |
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Post by RUBICON19 on May 24, 2005 9:57:17 GMT -5
Personally I take in the bulk of my carbs first thing in the morning when cutting. My PWO drink when I train in the evening has about 10 grams of carbs in it. The body still needs some carbs for recovery, so I would not eliminate them completely for a PWO drink. I do not eat oatmeal after noon either. That is just me tho. I agree it is much more important to have carbs around your training than it is to have them in the morning. I would consider reconstructing your carb rationing. |
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Post by TNA on May 24, 2005 11:39:51 GMT -5
I gotta thank all of you guys for helping me out. I'm pretty new in my thinking at times and need clarity.
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Post by Intensity on May 24, 2005 12:14:25 GMT -5
Thanks for the info Intensity! This is great stuff. Like I said initially, I'm confused. But I'm getting a lot of useful information. So at 44 g of protein, how much dextrose would you suggest? Like i said i wouldnt suggest to go lower than 30g of carbs (even if you only take 44g of proteins). At that point, i would decresse the amount of carbs during the rest of the day rather than in your post workout drink! So make some try and keep us informed! Mo |
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Post by ntrllftr on May 24, 2005 12:57:37 GMT -5
When I do my "normal" diet I keep PWO carbs at 35-45 grams but dieting for a show,
I have tried everything 50grams on down. When I have more than 10-15 before i go to bed
(I work late then train and go right to bed) a few weeks b4 a show it really messes me up.
I totally eliminate protein drinks all together 5 days b4 a show. After 5 years of experimenting this is what works for me. I have been able to add quality size for my wt class I beleive by doing what works for me. I really appreciate the advice and do respect all your opinions.
I still say for TNA to keep at least 30 grams for now and experiment with each morning on the scale and mirror.
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Post by TNA on May 24, 2005 18:00:18 GMT -5
Okay, this is what I did today. For my pwo shake, I upped the protein to 50g and the carbs to 39 (30 from dextrose and 9 from the whey powder). I'll keep everyone posted!
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Post by ntrllftr on May 24, 2005 18:12:34 GMT -5
GOOD. and that that is all I'll say. lol
Keep us updated.
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Post by RUBICON19 on May 24, 2005 19:36:39 GMT -5
What about pre workout carbs. I need to take in 20-50 grams 1 -2 hours before training. Anyone else do this?
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Post by RUBICON19 on May 24, 2005 19:37:31 GMT -5
When I do my "normal" diet I keep PWO carbs at 35-45 grams but dieting for a show, I have tried everything 50grams on down. When I have more than 10-15 before i go to bed (I work late then train and go right to bed) a few weeks b4 a show it really messes me up. I totally eliminate protein drinks all together 5 days b4 a show. After 5 years of experimenting this is what works for me. I have been able to add quality size for my wt class I beleive by doing what works for me. I really appreciate the advice and do respect all your opinions. I still say for TNA to keep at least 30 grams for now and experiment with each morning on the scale and mirror. From your pic in your aviatior, it obviously works and works well!!!!!! |
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