Michael
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Post by Michael on Aug 20, 2004 13:55:10 GMT -5
I know the olympics have not been a hot topic, but I just have to say how impressed I was the other night with the strength of the men in the gymnastics when it came to the "rings", Especially anything that involved an "iron cross" type movement. The strength it must take to do that is something at my age I doubt I will ever be capable of, regardless of how much BB I do. I salute them all   |
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Sharon
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Post by Sharon on Aug 20, 2004 15:15:02 GMT -5
I agree Michael, I admire the heck out of those athletes. The Hamm brothers stated they don't do any weight training because they are lifting themselves constantly and that is why their upper bodies look so great.  They don't focus on any specific muscle group but just work out on the parallel bars and rings. The rings build big biceps! The only exercise recommend is handstand pushups which hits many muscle groups including their biceps, triceps and shoulders. The brothers can do 15 handstand pushups and their feet are not against a wall for support! I'll have to try handstand pushups against the wall !! ;D  |
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Post by GerryT on Aug 20, 2004 21:49:16 GMT -5
I respect all the Olympic athletes, with huge props to the gymnasts.
Carly Patterson and Paul Hamm provided the first ever USA sweep of the all around gold medals. Been 12 years since an American won an all around medal.
Big salute to them. Also to the women's basketball and softball teams who have been amazing.
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Post by J65 on Aug 21, 2004 11:59:47 GMT -5
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Post by GerryT on Aug 23, 2004 21:05:41 GMT -5
Really sad and an error that should not have happened.
Both Paul Hamm and the Korean athlete are victims here.
This has some parallel to the figure skating controversy in 2002, except that the skating judge admitted to premeditated collusion. Neither of the skating pairs had any knowledge of the vote swapping. Neither pair was penalized and both pairs were awarded gold medals.
If the FIG is making the point of publicizing the error and suspending the judges for it, then declare the Korean athlete co champion and award him a gold medal as well. Neither he nor Paul should be penalized for a judging error out of their control and both performed on a level worthy of gold medalists.
Just my opinion.
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Post by ChrisC on Aug 23, 2004 21:37:10 GMT -5
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Michael
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Post by Michael on Aug 24, 2004 8:17:03 GMT -5
I think it should stand as it is, but if they did award co-medals, it would not upset me. Although not because of the judging error, but instead for the peace of mind for Paul hamm. I would hate to think he would have to live with the constant controversy for the rest of his life. I believe the error was a shame, but rules are in place to handle objections to judges scoring, and the Koreans failed to follow these rules. I am sure if everyone were allowed to review all scoring for as long as the want ( i.e slow motion replay for days/weeks after), we would find a tremendous amount of errors being made throughout the games. ( not to mention the things the athletes do wrong that the judges miss that would hurt them, not help them). The games would become a nightmare of appeals for months and years following the games, how enjoyable would that be? So instead a continued emphasis should be made to select qualified unbiased judges for the games, and let rules handle any controversy that may arise. You would be surprised what kind of rules are in place to change a judge’s score, if properly filed. The suspending of the judges is an example of the rules in place to keep improper judges from continuing making mistakes until their actions/abilities can be reviewed. IMO |
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Sharon
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Post by Sharon on Aug 24, 2004 11:11:19 GMT -5
Yes, It was so exciting! The crowd went wild. They actually got the judges to change the score. Amazing! I've never seen anything like that before. I thought Paul Hamm's routine was unremarkable compared to the Russian's routine. They are going to have to change the criteria in the scoring for the next Gymnastics Olympics or get better judges. |
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Post by ChrisC on Aug 25, 2004 18:50:10 GMT -5
Yes, It was so exciting! The crowd went wild. They actually got the judges to change the score. Amazing! I've never seen anything like that before. I thought Paul Hamm's routine was unremarkable compared to the Russian's routine. They are going to have to change the criteria in the scoring for the next Gymnastics Olympics or get better judges. I felt real bad for Hamm after this. Especially when after he finally completed his routine the judges scored him higher than the Russian guy. That was the last thing Hamm needed to happen. |
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Post by ChrisC on Aug 25, 2004 19:38:27 GMT -5
FYI - Shane Hamman competed today in the Super Heavies. The coverage is on NBC around midnight.
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Post by GerryT on Aug 25, 2004 21:57:30 GMT -5
Paul Hamm was interviewed by David Letterman and said he would rather not share his title, since he truly felt he was the champion. But he would ultimately abide
by any federation decision. He also felt that the Korean
athlete made an error in his routine for which he was not penalized, so the mistakes would cancel.
Would be great to see Hamman win a medal.
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They don't focus on any specific muscle group but just work out on the parallel bars and rings. The rings build big biceps! 
