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Post by masterschamp on May 17, 2007 9:02:47 GMT -5
Frank, .....I agree whole heartedly that to be successful in this sport or any endeavor in life, one must have a strong support system of family and friends. The only problem I have with that article is the implied paranoia and centering of bodybuilding as the means to an existance. The "me against the world" thing...if you say what I don't want to hear you must be my enemy!!?? The whole "animal" attiude is rather boring and demonstrates a very skewed picture in terms of priorities....their writings somehow try to romanticize the idea that one shoulfd exist to soley be a bodybuilder and everything else is a pain in the a@#.....even working !!! I have been involved in this sport for 2 decades and while I have come across my share of "legend in their own mind" types, I can honestly say I have never felt as though someone was "using " me to get anywhere. The far majority of the people I have met in this sport are great people...sincere and genuine. If everyone who takes up this sport feels destined to be the next big thing professionally, they are in for one huge let down, not to mention numerous lost opportunities if they put all else in a secondary role. I think they get carried away with the whole"warrior" image. Alot of tough-talk and chest thumping! You know what a real warrior is...he's the guy who has a terrific career, a wonderful family, devotes himself to his children and wife,cares about his community,lives a "real" life, and on top of that,does all the things the "animal" guy mentioned, never complaing about it and being successful on the stage, as well.Nobody loves the training ,dieting, and competing aspects of this sport more than I, but I have always thought there was SO MUCH MORE to life than being a bodybuilder. The "animal" articles tend to present the notion that is is somehow"noble" to exist soley to be a bodybuilder, and to gear all things in life to the support of your participation in that sport. Rather than noble..I think that is actually very shallow and sad. There is so much that is FAR more important in life.
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Post by mrbeefy on May 17, 2007 9:23:45 GMT -5
MC, Very well put, and I agree with you wholeheartedly.
My gym owner and I discussed some of these very same issues last night. One of them being that how we, by our dedication, drive, etc., to being healthy are role models for others, especially kids today.
One of the points he brought up was "enhanced" athletes. His point was that the natural, healthy athlete we talked about above.....will still be alive, and in the gym, in 10 or 15 years....the others......might be dead.
I totally agree with you my friend. That's why this is a lifestyle. You have to take the Big Picture into consideration always. And you seem to certainly have all that in focus!
That's what I'm working on for myself right now, that clarity.
Frank
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Post by Karrie on May 17, 2007 10:34:55 GMT -5
Frank, .....I agree whole heartedly that to be successful in this sport or any endeavor in life, one must have a strong support system of family and friends. The only problem I have with that article is the implied paranoia and centering of bodybuilding as the means to an existance. The "me against the world" thing...if you say what I don't want to hear you must be my enemy!!?? The whole "animal" attiude is rather boring and demonstrates a very skewed picture in terms of priorities....their writings somehow try to romanticize the idea that one shoulfd exist to soley be a bodybuilder and everything else is a pain in the a@#.....even working !!! I have been involved in this sport for 2 decades and while I have come across my share of "legend in their own mind" types, I can honestly say I have never felt as though someone was "using " me to get anywhere. The far majority of the people I have met in this sport are great people...sincere and genuine. If everyone who takes up this sport feels destined to be the next big thing professionally, they are in for one huge let down, not to mention numerous lost opportunities if they put all else in a secondary role. I think they get carried away with the whole"warrior" image. Alot of tough-talk and chest thumping! You know what a real warrior is...he's the guy who has a terrific career, a wonderful family, devotes himself to his children and wife,cares about his community,lives a "real" life, and on top of that,does all the things the "animal" guy mentioned, never complaing about it and being successful on the stage, as well.Nobody loves the training ,dieting, and competing aspects of this sport more than I, but I have always thought there was SO MUCH MORE to life than being a bodybuilder. The "animal" articles tend to present the notion that is is somehow"noble" to exist soley to be a bodybuilder, and to gear all things in life to the support of your participation in that sport. Rather than noble..I think that is actually very shallow and sad. There is so much that is FAR more important in life. EXCELLENT POST!!!!!!!
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Post by EBA84 on May 17, 2007 12:30:04 GMT -5
Frank, .....I agree whole heartedly that to be successful in this sport or any endeavor in life, one must have a strong support system of family and friends. The only problem I have with that article is the implied paranoia and centering of bodybuilding as the means to an existance. The "me against the world" thing...if you say what I don't want to hear you must be my enemy!!?? The whole "animal" attiude is rather boring and demonstrates a very skewed picture in terms of priorities....their writings somehow try to romanticize the idea that one shoulfd exist to soley be a bodybuilder and everything else is a pain in the a@#.....even working !!! I have been involved in this sport for 2 decades and while I have come across my share of "legend in their own mind" types, I can honestly say I have never felt as though someone was "using " me to get anywhere. The far majority of the people I have met in this sport are great people...sincere and genuine. If everyone who takes up this sport feels destined to be the next big thing professionally, they are in for one huge let down, not to mention numerous lost opportunities if they put all else in a secondary role. I think they get carried away with the whole"warrior" image. Alot of tough-talk and chest thumping! You know what a real warrior is...he's the guy who has a terrific career, a wonderful family, devotes himself to his children and wife,cares about his community,lives a "real" life, and on top of that,does all the things the "animal" guy mentioned, never complaing about it and being successful on the stage, as well.Nobody loves the training ,dieting, and competing aspects of this sport more than I, but I have always thought there was SO MUCH MORE to life than being a bodybuilder. The "animal" articles tend to present the notion that is is somehow"noble" to exist soley to be a bodybuilder, and to gear all things in life to the support of your participation in that sport. Rather than noble..I think that is actually very shallow and sad. There is so much that is FAR more important in life. Very well said. I was thinking a lot of the same things as I read the article. Person who wrote it does make some good points though.
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Post by beckie on May 17, 2007 18:05:57 GMT -5
Definitely thought provoking! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Maybe its a small country thing but there are alot of 'false friends' down here but I'm learning to weed them out! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by mrbeefy on May 23, 2007 5:27:59 GMT -5
Totally off track. Diet ok...but not working. workouts so-so. overwhelmed...work...family....bs
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Post by masterschamp on May 23, 2007 10:27:34 GMT -5
Frank.....you might want to try one thing at a time for now. Try to get your diet in order...find out what really works for you, and develope that. Don't worry if the workouts aren't setting the world on fire right now. Once you get the diet down, hit it hard in the gym, the training will fall into place. I know you want things to happen quickly, but you DO have time. Just get things in order.
Keith
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Post by mrbeefy on May 23, 2007 11:25:45 GMT -5
Thanks Keith...very sincerley..Thank You ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) For awhile, wasn't sure if anyone was listening anymore. And of course, you are absolutely right. I know this. I have been receiving a lot of offers for help from people at my gym. Gym owner, BB Pro who works out there, National NPC Comp, World Gold Medal Powerlifter, etc. I listen, hesitantly. So many have given me ideas that work for THEM. I need to just find out what works for ME. That goes for diet and WO. For awhile there, I thought I was on the right track..."Seeing the light!"...but now......it feels like I've gone blind. I've been told I have the tools...just gotta figure out the best way to use them. Must be the Polish in me...using a hammer to drive in a screw. Right tool, if it was a nail! I'll get there..... just needed to vent a bit. Thanks for being there Bro.
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Post by Tim Wescott on May 23, 2007 15:42:40 GMT -5
Frank,diet/eat light,train instinctively by doing something different every time you train,and hit cardio twice daily just walking on an inclined treadmill for 30 minutes each time.
CARB CYCLE!!
I bet it`ll work for you if you give it your all.
Not much time until the NABBA Nats brother,lets get it going and screw everything else.
Stay positive bro,and positive things will happen all around.
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Post by beckie on May 23, 2007 17:57:56 GMT -5
I've been here Frank ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) I've been training instinctively for several years now and as long as you know your weak points and are willing to put the time in,its definitely worth a try but in saying that if you like training a particular way then just stick with that.. I'm still not there on diet yet and I'm looking at a couple of options for competing next year-given the problems I've had in the past I will either go with a trainer with a strong physiology background or one that understands biochemistry-its too important a factor in my competing so I have to do it right for me ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by mrky03 on May 23, 2007 18:25:42 GMT -5
Frank,diet/eat light,train instinctively by doing something different every time you train,and hit cardio twice daily just walking on an inclined treadmill for 30 minutes each time. CARB CYCLE!! I bet it`ll work for you if you give it your all. Not much time until the NABBA Nats brother,lets get it going and screw everything else. Stay positive bro,and positive things will happen all around. Totally agree! Our bodies are not all that different in the way they respond to diet and exercise, I think its a matter of regulating the amount of each to our own individual requirements and "tayloring" the variables to meet our needs. What I'm trying to say is what works for Tim will also work for me, you or anyone if we just work within our own recovery and caloric requirements. If theres one thing I've figured out in my old age its there are alot of people out there that are a lot smarter than me who have already figured out what works! Its just up to me to apply it properly.
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Post by mrbeefy on May 23, 2007 20:18:03 GMT -5
Tim, Beckster, Mrky03... Thanks Guys....I needed a little pick up today. Thanks for being there. Best one I got was from a friend who won the NPC Nationals a few years ago...works out at my gym occasionally. He sent me an e-mail this morning about my thoughts about next years contests. He told me, " Do the June show to get tight, and then one or both of the Big Shows, next year....and not to worry about any shows after those, because I'll be a pro!" Very nice compliment...lot of imagination, but nice, none the less! Took a day off because I've been sick for two days and off from work. Went to a nice dinner with my wife, then took the grandchildren for ice cream (yea me too). Tomorrow, we wake up to a new day...one day at a time. You got it Tim...eat clean...instinctive training...cardio... Gonna check in with my MD at the end of the month, go over HRT, BP, Thyroid, etc. Beginning of June...PUSH FORWARD! By the way Mrky03......you're a funny guy..."in my old age!" LOL! That's a good one! Huh Tim!?! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Hoopie on May 23, 2007 21:51:38 GMT -5
Ok i'm going to be the guy that comes along in your journal and kicks you in the ASS!!! Listen up Frank, YOU can and will do this!! One step at a time all the way to nationals! NOW get your head up and out of your behind and look ahead at whats next and attack it with everything you got. Focus on whats next and not whats been done.
THE WAR IS ON, NOW GO WIN THE DAMN THING BUDDY!!!!!
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Post by beckie on May 24, 2007 2:45:28 GMT -5
Your friend gave you good advice on the shows for next year..just remember mine- BABY STEPS ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by mrbeefy on May 24, 2007 5:42:38 GMT -5
Hoops....You are Da' Man! We're gonna crawl up onto this thing. (kinda like baby steps Beck ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) ) and devour the sh*t out of it! Still searching, still prowling, and then....... ;D Side note for Beckster: For a minute there I thought you said, "Remember what I said, Baby!" Kinda got me.....smiling! ![:-*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/kiss.png) ;D
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Post by beckie on May 25, 2007 17:57:48 GMT -5
LOL Frank you have a mind much like mine ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Have an awesome weekend!
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Post by mrbeefy on May 29, 2007 10:32:35 GMT -5
Well....spoke briefly with a Pro at our gym, Steve Davis. He turned Pro in 1993, and is a little shorter than I, but competed as a lightheavy. He looks like a Popeye cartoon character that has ripped out of his clothes. He and his wife Lynn, have been watching me for the last two years, and Steve has been hinting to working with me for awhile. When I mentioned doing Pittsburgh next year, he smiled, and said, "you got the tools, with a little help, I can help you blow them away!" hmmmmmm.
My wife and I are going to do brunch with he and his wife this Sunday, and discuss his intentions.
Might be exactly what the doctor ordered. Pro who has "been there, done that". Can relate with my size, and age. Will see me at the gym constantly, and kick my azz, as necessary. He had done some training with Gary Udit, but his old training partner was....some guy named..... Dorian Yates! YIKES!
I'll let ya'll know how the meeting turns out!
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Post by mrbeefy on May 29, 2007 19:15:39 GMT -5
Back today~ new PR for me on Deads
330 lbs ;D
5 sets for 3 reps
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Post by Hoopie on May 29, 2007 22:17:11 GMT -5
Back today~ new PR for me on Deads 330 lbs ;D 5 sets for 3 reps Congrats Frank!!! Great job!
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Post by beckie on May 30, 2007 0:05:25 GMT -5
sounds like the motivation is coming back! AWESOME ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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