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Post by mrky03 on Oct 14, 2008 18:54:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the awesome support guys!
Mo, I didn't really cut sodium or water. I just pretty much kept up my same regimine, but I somehow managed to come in about 5lbs. lighter than I was a week earlier! I carb depleted from Sunday until Wednesday, carbed heavy on Thursday and ate low carbs on Friday. I thinking about starting my carbup on Wednesday and continuing though Thursday next time to give myself a chance to fill out a little more. Thoughts?
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Post by Neal on Oct 14, 2008 19:34:14 GMT -5
Joel,
Congratulations. The pictures really show a first class physque. Good luck in 4 weeks.
Neal
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Post by mrky03 on Oct 14, 2008 19:45:37 GMT -5
Joel, Congratulations. The pictures really show a first class physque. Good luck in 4 weeks. Neal Neal, Thanks! How have you been? I see you checking in here from time to time, are you planning on competing? |
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Post by RUBICON19 on Oct 14, 2008 20:16:13 GMT -5
Great shots Joel. You really looked great man!
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Post by beckie on Oct 14, 2008 20:37:31 GMT -5
very impressive Joel..this is the best I have ever seen you look! Congrats  |
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Post by Neal on Oct 15, 2008 10:30:55 GMT -5
Joel,
I do try to view the board several times a week. I feel a good connection with the WOTW community, but I am not much of a poster.
I did the USBF Masters Nationals in September and won the 60+ and 50+ classes. I also placed second in the open bantamwt class.
This weekend I am competing in the NPC MD State Championships in Baltimore. I will only be competing in the open bantamwt. There is only a masters 40+ class. With no 50+ or 60+ class, I thought this is the best way to advocate for appropriate age classes in the future. My view is that if there is...
Sorry, I just started to hijack the thread. Maybe I will post a thread about this.
Once again, congratulations.
Neal
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Post by mrky03 on Oct 15, 2008 15:33:00 GMT -5
Joel, I do try to view the board several times a week. I feel a good connection with the WOTW community, but I am not much of a poster. I did the USBF Masters Nationals in September and won the 60+ and 50+ classes. I also placed second in the open bantamwt class. This weekend I am competing in the NPC MD State Championships in Baltimore. I will only be competing in the open bantamwt. There is only a masters 40+ class. With no 50+ or 60+ class, I thought this is the best way to advocate for appropriate age classes in the future. My view is that if there is... Sorry, I just started to hijack the thread. Maybe I will post a thread about this. Once again, congratulations. Neal Wow, you have been busy! That's great Neal, you are fantastic! Like I've said before pictures do not do justice, you really looked great at the Northern Ky. last spring, hard to believe you are 60! |
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Post by GerryT on Oct 16, 2008 13:00:51 GMT -5
Neal, please feel free to start a thread and congrats on your success. You're an amazing athlete, as is Joel.
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Post by Roger on Oct 17, 2008 11:55:00 GMT -5
Joel you looked awesome. I have only been around for a couple of years now and this is the best I have seen you. You got it down my friend
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Post by mrky03 on Oct 17, 2008 16:31:32 GMT -5
Joel you looked awesome. I have only been around for a couple of years now and this is the best I have seen you. You got it down my friend Thanks Roger! I think I'll be better for the Ky. Muscle. I'm about 4lbs. heavier and look harder right now. I was pleased with my condition at the Bluegrass but I wasn't carbed up enough. Thats usually my problem at shows. I always get paranoid and don't eat enough the last couple of days. |
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Post by Tim Wescott on Oct 18, 2008 13:25:27 GMT -5
Joel,first off,big congrats on a job well done!! Secondly,I definately agree with the others....this is the best package I`ve ever seen you bring to the stage. I bet it was a real headache to judge your class. Keep pumping buddy!! Also would like to congratulate Neal on his normally busy contest schedule. Maybe this will inspire me or help me to break out of my rut!  |
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Post by mrky03 on Oct 19, 2008 15:24:18 GMT -5
Thanks Tim, its amazing how just making small adjustments can make a difference. I cut way back on cardio this year and ate less fats.
I'm trying to hold things together for the next 3 weeks. I want to nail my conditioning for the Ky. Muscle!
Its good to see you posting, you are missed when you're away!
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Post by GerryT on Oct 20, 2008 11:33:15 GMT -5
Joel, I second everything you said about Tim. And I know you will hold it together and make another great showing!
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Post by mrky03 on Oct 20, 2008 17:13:56 GMT -5
Joel, I second everything you said about Tim. And I know you will hold it together and make another great showing! Thanks Gerry! I'm going to minipulate my sodium balance differently for this next show. I was pleased with my condition for the Bluegrass but I was holding a little water. I was talking with a friend today at the gym who was at the pre judging and he made some suggestions. So I'm planning on nailing my best condition! |
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Post by intenceman on Oct 21, 2008 0:42:49 GMT -5
Congrats Joel! That's the best I've seen you so far! You looked very ripped and lean. Maybe bump up complex carbs the last day?
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Post by mrky03 on Oct 21, 2008 18:13:06 GMT -5
Congrats Joel! That's the best I've seen you so far! You looked very ripped and lean. Maybe bump up complex carbs the last day? Hey, thanks James! I'm pretty happy with my prep this year. You know how it is we're always tweaking things to get a better result! Yeah, I'm going to do a few things a little different for the next show. |
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Post by Intensity on Oct 22, 2008 14:55:06 GMT -5
Joel, it's hard for us to know if you should have eaten more carbs or not... but one thing is for sure, a bodybuilder of your size, with a pretty fast metabolism like yours can eat a lot during the carb load! I would not be scared to have you load heavily from Wednesday to Saturday for your first show of the season. Anyway if you are completely depleted... new glycogene won't transform into fat before 72h For the second show, since you may not be as depleted before the carb load (you are in a situation where you maintain your bodyweight instead of dropping it), IMO you should pay attention to it and carb up a little less... The mind games hen? You'll do great Joel! |
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Post by mrky03 on Oct 22, 2008 17:47:36 GMT -5
Joel, it's hard for us to know if you should have eaten more carbs or not... but one thing is for sure, a bodybuilder of your size, with a pretty fast metabolism like yours can eat a lot during the carb load! I would not be scared to have you load heavily from Wednesday to Saturday for your first show of the season. Anyway if you are completely depleted... new glycogene won't transform into fat before 72h For the second show, since you may not be as depleted before the carb load (you are in a situation where you maintain your bodyweight instead of dropping it), IMO you should pay attention to it and carb up a little less... The mind games hen? You'll do great Joel! Thanks Mo, I really appreciate the feedback! I guess we really do over think this thing! lol I'm concidering cutting sodium a little further, 2000mg. on Wed. 1500mg. on Thur. and 1000mg. on Friday as well as cutting water 2 gal. on Thur. 1 1/2 gal. on Thur. and 1 gal. on Fri. What are your thoughts on this? |
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Post by Intensity on Oct 23, 2008 11:52:21 GMT -5
Thanks Mo, I really appreciate the feedback! I guess we really do over think this thing! lol I'm concidering cutting sodium a little further, 2000mg. on Wed. 1500mg. on Thur. and 1000mg. on Friday as well as cutting water 2 gal. on Thur. 1 1/2 gal. on Thur. and 1 gal. on Fri. What are your thoughts on this? I dont have all the pieces of the puzzle, but from the information I have, I'd say that it may be right to cut sodium and water a little further... but I'd do it over a shorter period of time. For example, I'd keep the sodium very high until Tursday night or even Friday afternoon (depending of the individual) then, I'd reduce sodium to about 1000-1500mg (again, depending of the individual and depending of how much sodium you had in your load) Same thing for water! I'd not suggest to reduce it before Friday night! The last thing you want is your body flushing it at a lower pace! The system usually takes about 24h to 48h hours to recognize the diminished sodium or water intake and reduce flushing them! ----- Here are some more technical informations: One of the hormones that is responsible for water retention is Aldosterone
Aldosterone is secreted at the end of a hormonal cascade activated primarily by the decreased quantity of sodium that reaches the "Distal Tubule" of the kidney. There are also other factors that contribute to the activation of this cascade but the sodium level is the most important. Sympathetic stimulation (acting via B1- adrenoceptors), renal artery hypotension, and low concentration of sodium (in our case) in the distal tubule of the kidney causes the production of Renin.
Renin is an enzyme that acts upon a circulating substrate, Angiotensinogen, that undergoes proteolytic cleavage to form the decapeptide Angiotensin I. The endothelium in the lungs has a particular enzyme called Angiotensin Converting Enzyme (ACE) that cleaves off 2 amino acids to form the octapeptide Angiotensinogen II (AII) which in turn stimulates the adrenal cortex to secrete Aldosterone.
Aldosterone is a steroid hormone that belongs to the category of Mineralocorticoids produced by the adrenal cortex. As the name suggests, mineralocorticoids regulate the mineral salts, sodium and potassium in the body's extracellular fluid spaces. Although there are three mineralocorticoids, Aldosterone is the most important physiologically and comprises almost 95% of all mineralocorticoids.
Aldosterone acts by regulating sodium re-absorption in the distal tubules of the kidneys. When large quantities of Aldosterone are secreted the sodium ions that enter the kidney filtrate are reabsorbed back along with increased fluid. Consequently, little sodium passes into the urine. This sodium re-absorption therefore promotes the re-absorption of water due to osmosis.
This explains why water retention occurs when very low levels of sodium are introduced through the diet. |
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Post by mrky03 on Oct 23, 2008 18:49:50 GMT -5
Thanks Mo, that makes perfect sense and is the reason I haven't over concerned myself with cutting sodium for the past few shows. A well meaning friend of mine at the gym who really is quite knowledgeable was telling me start cutting sodium on Wednesday. I feel a lot more comfortable doing what you're suggesting I'll probably wait until Friday evening and cut it low but not out completely. I'm drinking 2 gallons of water plus diet soda's and my sodium is quite high (salting meals) and even eating a couple of dill pickles with my dinner! So I figure just cutting sodium down to normal levels will work well.
Thanks for telling me what I was originally thinking! You always nail your condition and its silly to blow all this dieting by doing something thats going to make you hold water the night before the show!
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