What needs to be done IMHO

[1705total]

I was just watching the 2004 USA, taped by repatrope,
let me say this.
If the powers that be ever get serious about getting the drugs out of the sport the first and foremost thing that needs to be done is drop the Super heavy weight class. The top elite look good (Chris Cook ect) but the guys finishing in the bottom of the top 15 and lower has so much going wrong, lumps bumps, distended bellies, its down right disgusting. These guys are no genetically endowed and should think twice before injecting oil and other stuff in an attempt to be something they are not!

I'm a mass fan, but these guys make Heiko look aesthitic!!!

When will common sense and an eye for a pleasing physique return to our sport!

I think the addition of the super heavies have pushed athletes to try to be more then they are and are willing to take unnecessary risks!!!

[Tim Wescott]

Steve,very good topic.............when a guy should naturally top out at 220-230, but goes insane, and hits the 260-300 pound mark,something has to give.

In this case, distened abdomens,out of proportion thighs,no calves by comparison,droopy overdeveloped pecs,no aestethitcs,no lines or flow to the physique..........and then there is the Synthol issue besides.

The sport has gone in a bad direction, and the only people who can`t see this are very young, and have no real clue about bodybuilding anyway.

Top pros included ........in the SF show,some of the lesser lights just look plain terrible!

[GerryT]

Very true, guys. Many super heavies should be heavies, they are just competing at insane weights.

There are shows like Team U (which is tested) which has a welter class (up to 165) and no super class.
North Americans also has a welter class, so maybe this is the way to go.

Mass is good up to apoint, but is the last thing I look for.
Conditioning (tightness, dryness, etc.) symmetry and balance are what I first want to see.

[1705total]

Thats my point exactly. Having a super heavy class now has given people an incentive to balloon up to a heavy weight above 225lbs. Its not so much the top 5, but the rest of the field. People are willing to do whatever, perhaps more then before, because they believe they have a shot. Its also dilluted the heavies as well, and to some extent the light heavies.
Who here remembers when the light heavies averaged 5'8" in height. Remember the physiques that won the light heavy class like the following:

Eddie Robinson
Tom Terwilleger
JJ Marsh
Aaron Baker (he graduated into the heavies)
Rich Gaspari
Dave Hawk

I think the powers that be need to rethink that class.

[Tim Wescott]

Eddie Robinson
Tom Terwilleger
JJ Marsh
Aaron Baker
Rich Gaspari
Dave Hawk

All fantastic bodybuilders Steve who despite some inhereted genetic shortcomings in some of their physiques,they all looked incredible, with extreme muscle density......something else that`s lacking today!

By muscle density ,I mean a hard ,dry,grainy,look while still retaining lines,and a tight midsection.

Maybe some of these guys will wise up when they continue to place out of the money.

Without mentioning names,I think if a few of these guys dropped weight,they would fare much better competitively............why can`t THEY see that ? :Head Bash:

[cavemuscle]

Tim, dont you think it's also the muscle media that perpetuates this?

In the early to mid 90s we saw lots of middleweight and light heavies getting attention in the mags. Now you have this constant push for freakish size at all costs, because it's the only way you can get any face space in the Industry. And visibility gets you sponsors.

When and only when us middle and light heavies get the same respect and acknowlegement at the supers, rather than being treated as a transitional step, will we see a change.

[cavemuscle]

In fact, Tim , can you post some of the worse offenders?

[Tim Wescott]

Brock,I don`t like to bash ,but if you got to the San Fran results thread in the General Section,and take a look at some of the competitors who placed out of the money,I`m sure you`ll see exactly what I mean. ;D

*playing it safe so as not to direspect* :Funky Chicken:

[macattack]

I think people like the shock and Awe of the monster look, who really knows what some of those guys are doing.

I've heard Ronnie does'nt need much at all in the way of steroids he's so genetically inclined already, but who really knows.

Also people say Ronnies gut is ugly and disteneded, well what it really is he's got huge freaken abs that look like their 4 inchs thick LOL, anyone would look distended and freakish with those kind of abs.

I hate to argue about this everyone has their own opinion, my favorite BB is Coleman if you have a favorite thats not winning of course you're going to be upset

[Tim Wescott]

Mac,no arguement here.....to each his own,but there is only one Ronnie Coleman!!

I`m reffering to the guys who have no chance in catching him, but yet continue to play the size game, as if adding another 40 pounds of misplaced muscle,just so the scale reads 280 pounds,is instantly going to propell them to a Mr. O title!!

Some of these guys just look like sh*t.......they are screwing up their bodies look to the max.


Why does a competitive bodybuilder compete............hopefully to place high, or win,but these guys look so bad, and continue to constantly place out of the money, regardless of how big they are.

I am just mystified why they can`t see how bad they look.

Just my opinion,as I said to each his own,but none of these mass monsters are placing well,and they will never be Ronnie Coleman....................seems futile to just keep adding size at the expense of losing proprtions and taper.

[1705total]

Here's an example of a guy who competed in the 2004 USA as a super heavy weight, who I'm sure would look much better if he laid off the drugs and concentrated more on refinement. Perhaps the drugs are misleading people thinking they are ready when in fact they are not. One last thing. I'm not saying I'm better, I'm not and this man showed great determination in getting to the usa.

[1705total]

another example

[Tim Wescott]

As you said Steve,you have to give these guys respect,and they have a lot of muscle ,but just don`t have a good look to their physiques at all!

[hossjob]

I totally agree gentleman! I'm not going to cast stones at anyone in this sport because they take drugs. It's just a fact we're gong to have to accept and deal with. However, I wish these guys would find someone that knew a thing or 2 about the chemistry and use some intelligence with using the drugs. There are too many "DIRTY" roids and products and too many people that don't know what they are doing. Not to mentin the fact most of these guys are messing w/ GH and even worse Insulin! YIKES