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Post by Thinkbig on Jun 12, 2005 13:40:08 GMT -5
Hey guy's I have been away from the board for some time now, Its good to be back.
I have a question for MAINLY the competitiors, although any help is appreciated...
I have been researching the whole art of Pre-Contest Prep and have come accross many conflicting statements/points, and "advices" lol.
I have been told to find someone who has done it before (Competitor, Advisor) or preferably many times and follow the advice to a "T".
It seems that so many people listen to a few close friends, a guy or two at the gym and a local competitor and then try to conglomerate it all into one plan and there seem to be several ways to acheive extreme leanness, the key being to pick one and stick with it.
Once again any help or advice you can give is much appreciated.
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Post by PassionateBB on Jun 12, 2005 14:03:54 GMT -5
Hi there. When I first started competing I took advice from just a few people and applied it or not to what I already knew about my body. Mostly it was common sense and just alittle bit trial and error.
I think it's a good idea to hire someone you have complete faith and trust in. Someone who has competed and knows exactly what the prep entails or who has an infinite amount of knowledge on the journey. And definetly don't listen to alot of other people if this one person is your prep person. Except if you are getting bad advice. LOL.
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Post by ntrllftr on Jun 12, 2005 14:10:16 GMT -5
You pretty much answered your own question in a round about way.
As you said there are different ways to "acheive extreme leanness" The way to find
what works is to try it for your self such as a "trial run"
Everyone reacts to change differently so there is no one specific way for
everyone.
The key I think is when to cut sodium and water. Some people can do it in a day and a half and others it takes a few days b4 a show same with the carbs when to load them.
Take in as much suggestions and advice from others and impliment them to your specific needs.
Good luck.
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Post by Thinkbig on Jun 12, 2005 14:22:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the info...
I have tried some things in the past and I never have been able to get it all together, I see some guys doing low carbs all the way through, I see some of them cycling the carbs, I see some taking in relatively high carbs and still come in great shape.
So I have experimented with these things and from what i know about my personality( I am very good at taking orders and will follow what i am told), I will count the rice granules for god sake, if thats what it takes, discipline is not my problem, finding the right onfo to "tie" it all together is the key for me.
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Post by Intensity on Jun 13, 2005 13:46:06 GMT -5
Hi!
Like i said in another thread, it's sad but the idea is to learn from relevent information's sources... try it... and adapt it to you! ( I realize that the best way for me to get dry and full was to drink a lot on contest day... so can you imagine that nobody could have predict that without a lot of trial...)
You seem to be motivated so i'm sure that you'll be patien, and will achieve the results you want by learning and experimenting!
Good luck!
Mo
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Post by str8flexed on Jun 13, 2005 17:40:19 GMT -5
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Post by Maximum6 on Jun 13, 2005 20:35:46 GMT -5
even though i'm not yet experienced in this area...
I learned that people are definitely different...they respond differently to differently to different ways to preparing contest.
Like troyster...i remember him saying he would one day replace all the carbs calories in his diet...into fibrous calories.... which i personally think is insane because alot of his calories come from carbohydrates...... but it works
tim does his carb cycling of 2high 3low day...and may go zero carb if necessary....
then there is the water and sodium thing....some people do it a week before......and some people do it 3-4 days before...and some 2 days before.
I even remember one of the members saying he eats chef boyardi ?? and it works for him??!!
who knows.....but i would stick to a plan an commit to it...if this year doesn't work....you have next year to try something different.
As i learned...some of the best competitors took a few years to find the winning formula...
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Post by RUBICON19 on Jun 13, 2005 23:13:52 GMT -5
Just keep plugging. You will get it. Just do not stop at any less than SHREDDED!!!!!! Set a goal and get there. Do what ever it takes. If something sets you back a day or two. CHANGE IT. Dont just do something because "Its the way you are supposed to." Do things that work for you. If you follow Tims precontest diet you will see how someone changes their diet as time goes on. You have to adapt to the situation. Go to EXTREMES!!!! My 2 cents...
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Post by masterschamp on Jun 15, 2005 4:26:12 GMT -5
ThinkBig:
Read the last pararaph from my post "A Message for All The Young Guns", I know you are no beginner, but the philosophy behind that whole post; and in particular the paragraph I'm referring to, says alot of who I think should direct anyone's training after they have been at this game for awhile. If you are looking for examples of an application of this philosophy, my response in the "cycling carbs" post may help. ---That said, I was very fortunate to have been mentored in this sport by someone,who, to this day, I consider the most knowledgeable person I've ever met in the game. He took me under his wing when I was starting out and provided me with all the information I would ever need concerning training and diet. Everything he taught me is still the base from which I use as a starting point when structuring my training and diet. And he was the one who encouraged me to find what works for ME within the parameters he laid out. If you look at my training and diet practices you will plainly recognize his influence. The key is to have that base from which to draw upon, when making idividual adjustments. If you are looking for advice I would suggest going to someone who has been around the sport for some time, in a competitive sense. In my opinion, someone who has done " a few" shows can in no way have the insight and knowledge that someone with years,(at least 10), of competitive experience would be able to lend to you. As I've referred to in previous posts they have"been there; done that".
BTW-- in case you were wondering, the person I am referring to is John DeFendis.
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Post by Thinkbig on Jun 16, 2005 13:03:42 GMT -5
Thats awesome you got to work under DeFendis he is the man...
Thanks for the posts and I appreciate your help.
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Post by GerryT on Jun 16, 2005 13:25:47 GMT -5
John DeFendis is a guru and legend in the sport far as I'm concerned. As well as one of the nicest guys anyone could know. His web site is tremendous. Check it out. www.defendis.com |
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Post by Thinkbig on Jun 19, 2005 15:23:24 GMT -5
Def. cool JerryT
So far I have devised this plan:
8 meals daily; Cardio in the A.M. on an empty stomach.
Ratio's are as follows:
Protein:50% Carbs:20% Fat: 30%
I will be creating a 500 calorie deficit each day through cardio only...
This should allow me to keep my nutrient levels higher than by restricting food from the start, hopefully sparing lean mass.
Ok, so I am open to suggestion/guidance/correction etc. from those in the know...
PLEASE DO NOT POST if you have read in flex how to "cut-up" or some other b.s.
PLEASE only those who have dieted to low single digits, either Bodybuilding Competitors, or advisors, or someone who has been through the process, I read alot of literature and don't need you to tell me what you have "heard/read "...
Thanks you for all the posts and all the help.
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Post by masterschamp on Jun 19, 2005 15:56:29 GMT -5
ThinkBig
I have a post on the general board--" A Message For All The Young Guns Out There" that contains several entries detailing my training. I also have a reply on page 3 of Tim's post, "How I Carb Cycle For Fat Loss" on the Diet and Nutrition page. They may be of some help.
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Post by Thinkbig on Jun 19, 2005 16:00:46 GMT -5
Thank you bro, much appreciated
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Post by 1705total on Jun 19, 2005 18:14:00 GMT -5
One thing to keep in mind. Wether you use an advisor or not, write everything down. Weigh yourself daily at the same time of the day. Tracking what you do will only help you and help you to learn.
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Post by RUBICON19 on Jun 20, 2005 9:13:12 GMT -5
Def. cool JerryT So far I have devised this plan: 8 meals daily; Cardio in the A.M. on an empty stomach. Ratio's are as follows: Protein:50% Carbs:20% Fat: 30% I will be creating a 500 calorie deficit each day through cardio only... This should allow me to keep my nutrient levels higher than by restricting food from the start, hopefully sparing lean mass. Looks solid man. You seem determined. Go get it!!! Any help, just hollahhhhhh.... Ok, so I am open to suggestion/guidance/correction etc. from those in the know... PLEASE DO NOT POST if you have read in flex how to "cut-up" or some other b.s. PLEASE only those who have dieted to low single digits, either Bodybuilding Competitors, or advisors, or someone who has been through the process, I read alot of literature and don't need you to tell me what you have "heard/read "... Thanks you for all the posts and all the help. |
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Post by Thinkbig on Jun 21, 2005 15:55:34 GMT -5
Thanks RUBICON19 I appreciate it.
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Post by Troyster on Jun 22, 2005 9:48:49 GMT -5
I know many different competitors and the variances in what they eat and how they finish off their physique before stepping on-stage are VAST.
One thing I can guarantee you is that your results will be poor if you try to mix and match.
That's the short story. I've tried a few techniques over the years with varying success. Until I hired a very knowledgeable trainer, I didn't even come close to my potential. And the closer I followed his instruction, the tighter I got.
T
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Post by Thinkbig on Jun 25, 2005 16:32:28 GMT -5
do you think that they would be able to prep me for a contest, or are they only helping established competitiors?
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