Cut Diet Cpinion

[EBA84]

admin said:

fit said:

Am I misunderstanding drop sets in how they explain them in this routine when they say: "Standing Barbell Curls - 3 sets 8-10 reps with a dropset on last set to
total 25-30 reps".

I normally think of drop sets as starting quite heavy, just a couple of reps, stripping weight and moving down, etc.

The way they say it, do they mean use a weight where the third set will be difficult to get 8-10, then drop and rep from there to 25-30 reps? So the set/reps would be

8-10/8-10/25-30?

I always do a scenario similar to the one you described......there`s is a bit weird different! ;D

Another variation of drop sets that I like to do and have actually made some nice gains is increasing sets. For example, do push downs for triceps starting with 10 reps at 80 pounds immediately followed by 10 reps at 90 pounds immediately followed by 10 reps at 100 pounds. I feel these better then drop sets.

[beckie]

I've done the same Eric. dropping the weight is good pre contest when you are trying to exhaust the muscle but upping it is way more challenging imo...

[EBA84]

beckie said:

I've done the same Eric. dropping the weight is good pre contest when you are trying to exhaust the muscle but upping it is way more challenging imo...

I agree. Totally different feeling then a drop set. Don't seem to get as much muscle fatigue as a drop set. I guess this would sort of like a pre-exhaust. I have had good success with this on shoulders, biceps and quads (extensions).

[beckie]

Yes,bicep curls are a great one to this with,as are hamstring curls

[EBA84]

beckie said:

Yes,bicep curls are a great one to this with,as are hamstring curls

I like doing this with side laterals for shoulders. I couldn't get my shoulders to grow no matter what I was doing. I started these and my shoulders started growing again.

[Tim Wescott]

Eric,those are called ascending sets,and drop-sets are sometimes called descending sets.

I`ve gotta` give them a try,sounds good and haven`t done anthing similar to them in years.thanks for dusting off the cobwebs of my old brain!

[EBA84]

admin said:

Eric,those are called ascending sets,and drop-sets are sometimes called descending sets.

I`ve gotta` give them a try,sounds good and haven`t done anthing similar to them in years.thanks for dusting off the cobwebs of my old brain!

Is this what they called them back in the old days old timer? Wait a minute.... Disregard that. I am not much younger then you. lol

[RUBICON19]

I do the same, but call it up and down the river.

[beckie]

You don't hear many people refer to them as that these days-I tend to call it pyramiding the weight up on subsequent or the same sets.

[TNA]

mrbeefy said:

TNA!

I'm starting mine on Monday too!
We'll have to compare notes in our journals.
Especially since there is about an 18 year age difference between us ;D

Sweet!!!

[mrky03]

I haven't tried the cut diet yet, but it is very similar to what I do already. I think it will work very well for you Frank. It seems to be basically another variation of carb cycling that most of us here at WOTW follow for contest prep.

[RUBICON19]

Frank. Havnt you already been dieting for a while now? CKD or something?

[fit]

2 questions:

Anybody understand the logic of the 3rd day carb meal being the last meal of the day? 9p and a truckload of carbs and fat?

Also- for those that have done this, their formula says I should be getting about 3100 calories a day, more on carb day. Yet every other calculator (Harris, etc.) has my MAINTENANCE level lower than that.

#awtf6mm#

[RUBICON19]

fit said:

2 questions:

Anybody understand the logic of the 3rd day carb meal being the last meal of the day? 9p and a truckload of carbs and fat?

Also- for those that have done this, their formula says I should be getting about 3100 calories a day, more on carb day. Yet every other calculator (Harris, etc.) has my MAINTENANCE level lower than that.

#awtf6mm#

The carb load is to reload glycogen. Its not an un common method to do it the last meal. This is when your body will rest and recover best.

The high cals is due to the type of diet. People can usually get away with more cals on a keto type diet than a regular balanced diet. Its also just a starting point to get your body accustomed to the diet without feeling deprived. Once the body has switched gears to a fat burning metabolism and weight loss ceases then the cals can be dropped a bit each week.

Make sense?

[fit]

It does- just nervous about it since the numbers are so different from more typical approaches I am used to.

I have noticed that the grams/cals they list for various foods don't jive with a number of the databases I use. I know they're estimates but I find their numbers to be low. For example, the carb meal for a 3000 kcal diet should total just under 1000 kcal according to the plan, yet when I run the numbers it's 1200.

Trial and error here I come. Somebody cart me to bed after that 1000 calorie 9p meal

I'm actually in the third day of this. So far, with the grapefruit, it doesn't feel low-carb at all.

Thnx for the reply (and good morning!)

[mrbeefy]

Rubes////yes..I followed the CKD for about 3 weeks. Wasn't working our for me for a whole lot of reasons.

So decided to give this a try for 16 weeks.

I'm on my second day...feeling ok....a little different, but good. Was 171 on Saturday, and am 165.8 this morning, so I'm pretty sure I'm just dropping water at this point...we'll see how this all rolls out

fit:

Yup! I'm curious about the late night carb up too..hmmmmm. Mine is tommorrow night. We'll have to compare notes.

[fit]

I'm 185 and this has me eating about 3000 daily plus more on the carb day (and plus the couple hundred calories of the workout shake. Sound right?

[QuietBob]

As usual, Rubicon is on the money.
Don't worry about the numbers; watch the scale and the mirror.

Another option is to do a once-a-week cheat meal in place of the carb loads (which are twice a week). As Randy stated, it reloads glycogen; it also help with thyroid function (keeps the metabolic burning running smoothly), shocks the body, and keeps some people sane!
It is generally the last meal of the day because if you do the once a week cheat meal and go to bed, you won't be tempted to keep cheating throughout the day (since you're asleep). It also fills some people up for quite awhile, so if done early in the day you may be tempted to skip a planned meal because you're so full, which is what you don't want.
Hope that helps.

bob

[mrbeefy]

Thanks Bob that helps!

And YOU were right on about the "sanity" part too

[RUBICON19]

Everything Bob said.

Also. the #'s are not exact. no worries. Its all about the nutrients. Dont go nuts over #'s.. The cals will either be up or down either way