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Post by str8flexed on Dec 2, 2004 14:06:44 GMT -5
Layne, not everything has to be "measured." Some have to be experienced. You said "decreased recovery time" all I'm asking is how you determined this. And contrary to popular belief I don't think anecdotal evidence is irrelevent and whether you know it or not I actually go to the gym now and then
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Post by BoYD on Dec 2, 2004 14:07:20 GMT -5
Immune system strength is a very good point. In fact, this is the main reason i supplement with glutamine. I think i am more sensitive than others when it comes to catching a cold or flu. My immune system takes quite a hit from an intense workout.
I've found that glutamine helps bolster my immune system and i rarely get sick. Along with proper rest, of course, and vitamin c, green tea, and fresh garlic. But, for me, glutamine is a critical component of this "don't ever miss another workout again" system.
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Post by bodyfx on Dec 2, 2004 14:36:29 GMT -5
You said "decreased recovery time" all I'm asking is how you determined this. And contrary to popular belief I don't think anecdotal evidence is irrelevent and whether you know it or not I actually go to the gym now and then Yes, I know you go to the gym...and in case you didn't know, I have relentlessly defended you and your physique on several message boards where "Layne bashing" became customary. How did I measure my recovery time. Several ways... 1- Yes, one of the ways was though the lessening of DOMS that occurs with glutamine, and/or the time it takes to clear. 2- Have you ever heard of something called "perceived exertion?" Well, there is also something called "perceived recovery," which is where you rate how you feel based on a number of factors. My perceived recovery was always greater while on glutamine. 3- This is an interesting one...my resting heart rate upon awakening was 5-10 beats slower while on gluatmine, then while off. Most know that one of the signs of overtraining is a higher morning resting heart rate.
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Post by Thinkbig on Dec 2, 2004 15:00:00 GMT -5
bODYFX, Layne, I agree with both of you...
For the most part I am a skeptic on these types of situations until proven wrong, as Layne.
...Although I agree that you never know what exactly is going on in every ones body, so maybe Eric does get better results when he takes Glutamine, I can actually see a difference when I take r-ala as far as the fullness and general tight feeling i get just from eating carbs, some say that ALA is crap, I would say NOT for me...
The point is that when I made this thread I was attempting to disspell the myths on both sides, present the facts and let people describe the feeling they have on Glutamine and whey they feel that way.
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Post by bodyfx on Dec 2, 2004 15:01:41 GMT -5
bODYFX, Layne, I agree with both of you... For the most part I am a skeptic on these types of situations until proven wrong, as Layne. ...Although I agree that you never know what exactly is going on in every ones body, so maybe Eric does get better results when he takes Glutamine, I can actually see a difference when I take r-ala as far as the fullness and general tight feeling i get just from eating carbs, some say that ALA is crap, I would say NOT for me... The point is that when I made this thread I was attempting to disspell the myths on both sides, present the facts and let people describe the feeling they have on Glutamine and whey they feel that way. I agree with both of us too!
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Post by Thinkbig on Dec 2, 2004 15:03:59 GMT -5
Eric if you will take a look at the Advanced Supplementation thread in the Nutrition section PLEASE!!!
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Post by BeeJ on Dec 2, 2004 16:11:31 GMT -5
Oh no, the "Great Glutamine Debate" is still going on. If anybody wants to give something a try to help support immune function or simply to use in place of an antibiotic try getting your hands on any supplement product containing Lactobacillus rhamnosus lysate. It will most likely be a powder and in a pill form. Take about 50mg of this stuff every 12 hours (so when you wakey and when you sleepy as me Ma always said) at the onset of "cold-like" symptoms. The reason I bring this up is while a lot of lit does exist for this, it isn't as well known as it should be and it works like a charm. The "real world" results you get from this are amazing. I usually get a cold or flu about 2-3 times a year because of all the hard and heavy training I put myself through and all the weather changes in my part of the country. I haven't had one in over a year since taking this stuff. Whenever I start to feel sick I will take this stuff for about 3 days and it clears it up no problem. Give it a try and let me know what you think. PS Here in a few months I will clue you in on another unreleased product that I am really excited about.
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Post by bodyfx on Dec 2, 2004 16:31:27 GMT -5
Eric if you will take a look at the Advanced Supplementation thread in the Nutrition section PLEASE!!! Will do as soon as I get a minute!
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Post by str8flexed on Dec 2, 2004 16:56:45 GMT -5
eric I do appreciate you defending me on other message boards, but I really don't know what that has to do with the discussion. I think that you believe I am trying to attack you personally which is certainly not my intention. I'm just trying to have a discussion. Please keep that in mind.
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Post by bodyfx on Dec 3, 2004 10:26:29 GMT -5
eric I do appreciate you defending me on other message boards, but I really don't know what that has to do with the discussion. I think that you believe I am trying to attack you personally which is certainly not my intention. I'm just trying to have a discussion. Please keep that in mind.[/quote/] I know you are not attacking me...my comment was made to let you know that I respect you and what you stand for. I know it has nothing directly to do with this discussion, just as the comment you made about "going to the gym once in a while" had nothing to do with this discussion.
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Post by str8flexed on Dec 3, 2004 10:56:56 GMT -5
Well I made that comment to hint on the fact that I do believe in anecdotal evidence and I do have gym experience. I also don't assume that everyone knows who I am
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Post by bodyfx on Dec 3, 2004 12:57:13 GMT -5
Well I made that comment to hint on the fact that I do believe in anecdotal evidence and I do have gym experience. I also don't assume that everyone knows who I am C'mon...there's Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler, and Layne ;D
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Post by str8flexed on Dec 3, 2004 16:20:10 GMT -5
with the way i attract haters, you'd think they 'd have me in FLEX or something
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Post by Tim Wescott on Dec 3, 2004 16:25:29 GMT -5
Layne,if the haters were anybody that actually rated as anyone credible,instead of jealous morons,you`d be sure to have a Weider contract, and your own monthly advice column!! LOL :Thumbs Up:
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Post by str8flexed on Dec 3, 2004 21:26:05 GMT -5
Layne,if the haters were anybody that actually rated as anyone credible,instead of jealous morons,you`d be sure to have a Weider contract, and your own monthly advice column!! LOL lol I know right? Come to think of it... I've had 2 IFBB pros insult me and my physique so I should DEFINATELY be in FLEX ;D
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Post by youngblood on Dec 3, 2004 21:28:26 GMT -5
Layne, if you were in FLEX, then that would mean you take sterioids. Everybody knows steroids are what killed Lyle Alzado, and now Barry Bonds should have an asterisk placed next to his name, but in his defense he didn't know he was taking sterioids!!!!!
*please take this entire post in the most non-serious manner possible*
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Post by naturalguy on Dec 18, 2004 18:57:26 GMT -5
I will add my experience with glutamine.
Every time I start to get run down and feel like I am getting a cold, if I take large amounts of glutamine (20-30 grms. per day) for a couple of days, I NEVER get a full blown cold. When I don't take the glutamine, I get the cold.
I have also retained more muscle using glutamine when dieting then without it. I haven't scientifically measured it but I used bodyfat tests and measurements.
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Post by str8flexed on Dec 19, 2004 0:52:59 GMT -5
I will add my experience with glutamine. Every time I start to get run down and feel like I am getting a cold, if I take large amounts of glutamine (20-30 grms. per day) for a couple of days, I NEVER get a full blown cold. When I don't take the glutamine, I get the cold. I have also retained more muscle using glutamine when dieting then without it. I haven't scientifically measured it but I used bodyfat tests and measurements. What you need to take into account is that if you are consuming 20-30g of glutamine per day or not then you have a total protein intake difference of 20-30g; and a caloric difference of 80-120 kcals per day! It only makes sense you would have retained more muscle on it; but I think you would find the same results if you had increased protein intake by an extra 20-30g. -Layne
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Post by bodyfx on Dec 20, 2004 9:57:16 GMT -5
What you need to take into account is that if you are consuming 20-30g of glutamine per day or not then you have a total protein intake difference of 20-30g; and a caloric difference of 80-120 kcals per day! It only makes sense you would have retained more muscle on it; but I think you would find the same results if you had increased protein intake by an extra 20-30g. -Layne Really don't want to get into this again, but just so you know...I have tried exactly this before...used 40 g of glutamine per day and then dropped the glutamine in favor of 40 extra grams of protein and body comp and recovery were more favorable on straight glutamine. Believe me, I have tried to "debunk" the effects of glutamine myself on several occasions, but each time, glutamine has proved itself to me.
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Post by naturalguy on Dec 21, 2004 16:29:06 GMT -5
Really don't want to get into this again, but just so you know...I have tried exactly this before...used 40 g of glutamine per day and then dropped the glutamine in favor of 40 extra grams of protein and body comp and recovery were more favorable on straight glutamine. Believe me, I have tried to "debunk" the effects of glutamine myself on several occasions, but each time, glutamine has proved itself to me. Real world results are the bottom line.
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