nimrod
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Post by nimrod on Dec 31, 2004 3:23:50 GMT -5
CEX is pretty damn good, huh! bod, wat's CEX?? Creatine/Ephdrine/Xenadrine?? lol.. ;D If u could only choose 1 supp which would choose?? Creatine or Glutamine??  |
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Post by bodyfx on Jan 3, 2005 10:23:33 GMT -5
bod, wat's CEX?? Creatine/Ephdrine/Xenadrine?? lol.. ;D If u could only choose 1 supp which would choose?? Creatine or Glutamine?? LOL...no CEX is a creatine ethyl ester product from VPX. The best creatine you could ever use. And to answer your question: glutamine. |
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Post by Troyster on Jan 4, 2005 14:53:03 GMT -5
Personally, I'd go with creatine. It's the only product, for me personally, that ever produced any notable result in terms of incrased strength, performance, stamina and recovery. Very notable after cycling on and off several times.
No offense Bodyfx, but I found no value (again, me personally), NONE, to glutamine. Yes, I can spout all the touted benefits but say what they will, it did nothing for me. As Layne said, I tried to get it to work as well, but... it just wasn't there.
There are so many additional supposed benifits too, such as immune system, mental health and addiction craving reduction.
Read it, know it, but still hasn't worked for me.
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Post by sockrocker on Jan 4, 2005 14:57:14 GMT -5
and to be clear on that matter, if I could find a decent designed study showing oral glutamine supplementation to be beneficial to weight trained individuals (beneficial meaning retaining more lean body mass or increasing body mass) at a maintenance calorie level... then I would certainly rethink my position. But as of now, I know of not one such study that should benefits. So until I can see properly documented evidence to support anecdotal reports, I'll hold my position on it. regardless of supplementation, who increases LBM with maintenance calories? wouldn't it make more sense to hold out for a study showing a higher muscle maintenance during caloric DEFICIT while taking glutamine? |
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Post by bodyfx on Jan 4, 2005 16:37:11 GMT -5
Personally, I'd go with creatine. It's the only product, for me personally, that ever produced any notable result in terms of incrased strength, performance, stamina and recovery. Very notable after cycling on and off several times. No offense Bodyfx, but I found no value (again, me personally), NONE, to glutamine. Yes, I can spout all the touted benefits but say what they will, it did nothing for me. As Layne said, I tried to get it to work as well, but... it just wasn't there. There are so many additional supposed benifits too, such as immune system, mental health and addiction craving reduction. Read it, know it, but still hasn't worked for me. T And that is to be respected! Why would anyone want to use anything that did not work for them? At least you make room for the fact that glutamine DOES work for some people even though you personally do not benefit from it in a measurable way. |
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Post by str8flexed on Jan 4, 2005 19:05:41 GMT -5
regardless of supplementation, who increases LBM with maintenance calories? wouldn't it make more sense to hold out for a study showing a higher muscle maintenance during caloric DEFICIT while taking glutamine? Well if glutamine has anabolic properties it should put you over the edge with maintenance calories. Surely one could do a deficit study i believe there are a few out there... and i have yet to see one that shows improvement with glutamine supplementation |
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Post by youngblood on Jan 4, 2005 21:04:02 GMT -5
Please let it die already!!!!!!!!!!   |
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Post by bodyfx on Jan 5, 2005 9:52:36 GMT -5
This is actually still pretty short. I've seen glutamine threads like this about 10 pages long. These threads certainly raise my stress levels, which compromises my immune system...but thats ok, cause my glutamine rebuilds it and keeps me on a healthy road ;D
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Post by sockrocker on Jan 5, 2005 10:33:13 GMT -5
Well if glutamine has anabolic properties it should put you over the edge with maintenance calories. Surely one could do a deficit study i believe there are a few out there... and i have yet to see one that shows improvement with glutamine supplementation well, that's kind of iffy...i mean, FOOD has anabolic properties right? food isn't putting anyone "over the edge" with maintenance amounts |
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naturalguy
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Post by naturalguy on Jan 5, 2005 12:24:30 GMT -5
This is actually still pretty short. I've seen glutamine threads like this about 10 pages long. These threads certainly raise my stress levels, which compromises my immune system...but thats ok, cause my glutamine rebuilds it and keeps me on a healthy road ;D ;D |
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Post by bodyfx on Jan 5, 2005 13:11:53 GMT -5
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Post by str8flexed on Jan 5, 2005 23:05:16 GMT -5
well, that's kind of iffy...i mean, FOOD has anabolic properties right? food isn't putting anyone "over the edge" with maintenance amounts So what you're saying is glutamine is no better than food. doesn't that shoot a pro-glutamine argument in the foot? I'm confused... maybe i'm just a dumbass |
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Post by youngblood on Jan 5, 2005 23:40:18 GMT -5
Here we go again.....  <sigh> |
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Post by str8flexed on Jan 6, 2005 10:18:56 GMT -5
Here we go again..... <sigh> na dude, i've presented my argument... I just don't understand his point. -Layne |
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Post by bodyfx on Jan 6, 2005 10:35:25 GMT -5
Here we go again..... <sigh> Oh boy...We'll let sockrocker work his way out of this one ;D |
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Post by hossjob on Jan 6, 2005 11:14:20 GMT -5
This is actually still pretty short. I've seen glutamine threads like this about 10 pages long. These threads certainly raise my stress levels, which compromises my immune system...but thats ok, cause my glutamine rebuilds it and keeps me on a healthy road ;D And this response proves just how intelligent bodyfx is, always thinking outside the box  |
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Post by bodyfx on Jan 6, 2005 15:05:00 GMT -5
And this response proves just how intelligent bodyfx is, always thinking outside the box I try to split my thinking up about 80% outside and 20% inside the proverbial "box." Sometimes I think with one foot in the box and the rest of me outside or vice-versa. Depends on my mood and the temperature.  |
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Post by youngblood on Jan 6, 2005 20:20:38 GMT -5
I prefer a 32% inside the box, 60% outside the box and the other 8% I like to be square. I find this is the best combination, similar to how glutamine may or may not help by supplementing with it.
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Post by sockrocker on Jan 7, 2005 11:52:25 GMT -5
na dude, i've presented my argument... I just don't understand his point. -Layne i have no argument, because i have no stance at all on the subject...i'm just trying to figure out why it would take somewhat of a miracle (gaining weight on maintenance calories) to convince you that glutamine might be effective |
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Post by oldtimer1 on Jan 14, 2005 19:17:06 GMT -5
Wow, this is a big thread. The only supplement that has ever worked for me is creatine. When I first started taking it I got severe cramps in my muscles. In two weeks I was getting more reps and increased weight. Clarence Bass also noticed the same.
I'm in a position where I'm fortunate enough to try the latest snake oil. I just started glutamine two days ago. The dam stuff is expensive. I will let you know.
The last snake oil I wasted money on was tribulus. I think that's the spelling. I'm really up in the air whether I got a real or placebo effect. I thought my libido increase but was it due to increased testosterone? I don't know. I went on two cycles of the stuff.
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