dnutz
Novice Bodybuilder
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Post by dnutz on May 3, 2006 21:07:25 GMT -5
you guys are awesome, so much info in here, and every is so quick to respond which is great. On any other board it seems as if you have to have a 1000 posts or be a pro to get a response.
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Post by youngblood on May 3, 2006 21:16:57 GMT -5
Spoke to bodyfx.. this was MY question and his response regarding my PWO carb intake.... Regarding PWO carbs, I usually have been eating 60 grams of rice cakes PWO, is this too much? My total for the day is 130-135 on those day including those carbs. Would I be better off eating another serving of oatmeal during the day and cutting the PWO carbs in half? NOPE, YOU ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING! PWO CARBS ARE ABSORBED BETTER THAN ANY OTHER TIME OF DAY. THEY GO RIGHT TO THE MUSCLE CELLS AND SHY AWAY FROM FAT CELLS. MEAL 1 AND PWO CARBS ARE THE TWO SAFEST CARB MEALS OF ALL. I agree 100% I also agree. But, just to clarify my stance, I don't find it necessary to have post-workout carbs. In all the times I've tried it, being a low carber or not, I never noticed any improved anything. So I just find it essential to do so. Eating afterwards, yes. Ingesting carbs, no. But Sapphire, if Bodyfx tells you to do it, and it's working, then listen! If it's not working, still listen, and maybe make notes for next time (not undermining BFx here!). Mo- I think you may have not given the lower carb stance a fair chance. Try a low carb diet, for two months PRIOR to beginning your contest diet, and you might find some differences. But in the case of a typical BBer dieting routine (say Ronnie Coleman) using high carbs 12-16 weeks out, then gradually cutting them back in various stages, by the time the body gets the signal to adapt and burn more fat for fuel, your just starting to adapt. Not fully adapted to it. Then, as soon as you go off your contest diet, eating pies and french fries, then you throw your body into yet another state of dietary stress. So, I think it's best to make sure your sticking to one approach before you take on an already stressful contest prep. Make sense?
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Post by Hoopie on May 3, 2006 22:05:19 GMT -5
Your first meal carbs, How much should they total? I am in the process of cutting. an with my pwo carbs, with me cutting, should i still keep them at 1/3 my body weight? PWo carbs for me is 4-5 rice cakes and a protein shake or 1/2c oats with 1 1/2 tbsp honey with shake.
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Post by sapphire on May 4, 2006 15:26:28 GMT -5
BFX told me to eat 1 gram of carbs for each pound of body weight on training days, making PWO carbs HALF of that total. On Non training days he said cut that by 1/3 to 1/2, so I eat 130 on training days and 75 on non. ;D
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Post by youngblood on May 4, 2006 16:01:28 GMT -5
Everytime I approach one gram per pound of bodyweight, I immediately notice it around my ass!!! It jiggles for a week. But some people respond to this, and I am not one of them. Plus, for some reason, I just love being a carnivore!!! #aeatachicken9xi# #thumbsupsmileyanim9lp# #hungry3mi#
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Post by RUBICON19 on May 4, 2006 16:14:48 GMT -5
Everytime I approach one gram per pound of bodyweight, I immediately notice it around my ass!!! It jiggles for a week. But some people respond to this, and I am not one of them. Plus, for some reason, I just love being a carnivore!!! #aeatachicken9xi# #thumbsupsmileyanim9lp# #hungry3mi# HERE, HERE!!!
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Post by TNA on May 4, 2006 17:43:07 GMT -5
Everytime I approach one gram per pound of bodyweight, I immediately notice it around my ass!!! It jiggles for a week. But some people respond to this, and I am not one of them. Plus, for some reason, I just love being a carnivore!!! #aeatachicken9xi# #thumbsupsmileyanim9lp# #hungry3mi# HERE, HERE!!! Ditto!!!
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Post by Intensity on May 10, 2006 10:49:33 GMT -5
Make no mistakes, i do believe in a low a carb approach since this is what i do 6 months per year! It's just that i think that reducing gradually the carbs (vs being very low from the beginning) would allow to retain more muscle mass and avoid to stagnate.
But what i'm trying to say is that i prefer a "high protein / moderate carbs / low fat" diet … to a "high protein / moderate fat / low carbs" diet. So i would not suggest to someone who wants to be shreeded to keep eating a lot of carbs, but i would still suggest him to take his fuel from bodyfat and a small amount of carbs versus bodyfat and small amount of fat!
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Post by youngblood on May 10, 2006 17:08:03 GMT -5
Remember, in the end, I believe that it's all about calories. If you eat 2400 calories of butter, and burn 2800, you'll lose weight at some point. If you eat nothing but boiled chicken breasts at a total of 2400 calories and burn only 1800, you'll gain weight. It's about calories second, but first IMO it's activity. Food composition is the least biggest factor in the scheme of things. But I certainly am a proponet of a lower carb diet.
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Post by RUBICON19 on May 10, 2006 17:17:54 GMT -5
I dont believe in a calorie is a calorie theory. I could eat 3000 cals of mixed Carbs, Protein, Fat and gain weight. I can eat 3000 cals of Protein & Fat alone and lose fat at a good rate of speed
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dnutz
Novice Bodybuilder
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Post by dnutz on May 10, 2006 17:46:03 GMT -5
I also dont believe in the calorie is a calorie theory, i cut carbs down real low one time, and added fat (total calories were kept the same) and actually gained weight, but now i have found carb cycling and it is awesome.
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Post by youngblood on May 10, 2006 22:01:56 GMT -5
Well, I believe in it. All I can say for anyone that does not.....
"Look at the moon, not the finger"
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Post by RUBICON19 on May 11, 2006 6:09:44 GMT -5
Well, I believe in it. All I can say for anyone that does not..... "Look at the moon, not the finger" Than explain why 2500 cals with carbs keeps me fat. 3000+ cals without carbs makes me lean... Also, why would you bother with a low carb diet if a calorie was a calorie? Why not eat snickers all day and be lean?
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Post by youngblood on May 11, 2006 15:03:30 GMT -5
"Look at the moon, not the finger." Once you understand that saying, I think you may realize what I'm trying to say.
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Post by RUBICON19 on May 11, 2006 15:08:53 GMT -5
Better explianation please...
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Post by youngblood on May 11, 2006 17:12:42 GMT -5
Look at the big picture, in other words. As Tom Prince once said, "at any one time there are about 20 or so different adjustments that you can make in the dieting process." You can alter your cardio, your diet, exercises. On a more specific level, you can do more or less cardio. You can eat more or less calories. You can do more exercises or less. More rest time between sets, or less. Supersets, tri-sets, dropsets etc.... You can combine ALL of these things together. You can do so many things at once. Where 9-10 people go "wrong" in their "diets," is changing too many things at one time. So, for instance, you change your macronutrient ratios and your calorie intake, probably double up on your cardio as well. Now, if you do that, and start to regress, how in the world do you know which alteration was responsible for the step backwards? I see in many many posts all over the net, how too many people make changes too quickly. Or they make too many changes. They don't understand how one simple change in ANY aspect of their program, can alter the ENTIRE program. So, then, the change they made (say a low carb diet) gets a bad rap for something that may or may not be entirely it's fault. So...."Look at the moon, not the finger" means to "look at the program as a whole, not just a conglomeration (sp?) of individual parts.
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Post by mrky03 on May 11, 2006 17:59:02 GMT -5
I agree, it took me a long time to figure out through trial and error what works best for me and now that I feel that I have found it I simply make minor adjustments if they seem viable to me. Its like you said if you make too many changes all at once how are you going to know for sure what worked or what failed.
I also am a believer in the low carb or better still carb cycling diets. I believe its a matter of keeping your insulin levels steady so that your body can access its fat stores for energy. After that its a matter of gradually lowering your calories.
I wish I had understood this a long time ago. I used to follow the high carb diets popular in the 80's and I did manage to get ripped but not without starving off a lot of muscle in the process.
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Post by Tim Wescott on May 11, 2006 19:11:16 GMT -5
Good point YB !! #goodpost4pw#
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Post by Tim Wescott on May 11, 2006 19:13:28 GMT -5
A calorie is not "just" a calorie !!
One of the biggest mistakes I see on the net all the time.
Try looking good eating all cals from junk as opposed to eating the same amount from clean bodybuilding type foods............ain`t gonna` happen ..................EVER !!
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Post by youngblood on May 11, 2006 19:47:55 GMT -5
Try looking good eating all cals from junk as opposed to eating the same amount from clean bodybuilding type foods............ain`t gonna` happen ..................EVER !! This is where some people seem to misunderstand the point...at least I think. A calorie IS a calorie. However- if you want to look like Ronnie Coleman, "when in Rome...." and you should eat similar to him. If you want to look like the kid from the Star Wars video (where he practically kills himself with the light saber!), then again....do as he does. BUT......this is where some might understand. Your skin may not look good, you may not be vascular, or what have you. You won't look like a BBer per se. But the weight will be the same. Some people think that just because you eat lard and burn off the calories, you'll lose weight and look like Arnold. Nope. You'll lose weight, but probably look close to Richard Simmons, because lack of protein supply. Your weight will fall, yes, but you won't look tight as a drum. Thus, I still believe a calorie is a calorie. Again, "Look at the moon....."
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