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Post by masterschamp on Dec 18, 2006 13:41:36 GMT -5
You know, Tim, it's kinda funny but the longer I'm at this game the more I realize that basic common sense (as in old school) is the key to diet and training. Basics in training, i.e. lots of heavy weight and in my case volume, coupled with a basically whole food diet of high protein and low carbs. This is what they were doing in the 70's and early 80's...it worked then and it still works now. I think the bodies looked better then too...I know today's top pros are gargantuan compared to those of 2 or 3 decades ago, but do you really think that is because of anything else other than much more dramatic and sophisticated drug usage? I know that drugs were around then too, but you can't even begin to compare what was used and how much back then to what is done today. I have nothing against supps and newer training methods either, but I think the norm today is to over-analyze and complicate things to the extreme. I think this is due to the fact that alot of trainers today want the quick fix or "easy' way. Always looking for that "magic" routine or supplement. Hard, ball busting, work is my "magic potion" of choice. There's honor and respectability in that...to me, it's the most compelling part of this game,......... the journey is the thing.
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Post by RUBICON19 on Dec 18, 2006 15:18:31 GMT -5
You know, Tim, it's kinda funny but the longer I'm at this game the more I realize that basic common sense (as in old school) is the key to diet and training. Basics in training, i.e. lots of heavy weight and in my case volume, coupled with a basically whole food diet of high protein and low carbs. This is what they were doing in the 70's and early 80's...it worked then and it still works now. I think the bodies looked better then too...I know today's top pros are gargantuan compared to those of 2 or 3 decades ago, but do you really think that is because of anything else other than much more dramatic and sophisticated drug usage? I know that drugs were around then too, but you can't even begin to compare what was used and how much back then to what is done today. I have nothing against supps and newer training methods either, but I think the norm today is to over-analyze and complicate things to the extreme. I think this is due to the fact that alot of trainers today want the quick fix or "easy' way. Always looking for that "magic" routine or supplement. Hard, ball busting, work is my "magic potion" of choice. There's honor and respectability in that...to me, it's the most compelling part of this game,......... the journey is the thing. #bowdown3ht#
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Post by Tim Wescott on Dec 18, 2006 16:16:26 GMT -5
Steve,I was using whey from Champion Nutrition..they send me free stuff for a few months every year.
Now I`m back to using Pro-Performance by GNC.........good stuff,although GNC always gets a bad rap.
Not many places to buy supps up here,and I would definately not spend a ton of money anyway on any fancy whey that is supposedly better,as I doubt it actually would be significantly better anyway.
Keith,I couldn`t agree more!!
If I could take one pill a day and look fantastic,I would more than likely quit after a while because I love to train my ass off.
There are no magic pills,potions,or quick fixes that can top good old ball busting intensity with heavy weights!
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Post by Tim Wescott on Dec 19, 2006 13:22:49 GMT -5
Tues. Dec. 19th.
Meal # 1: 1 scoop whey in water
Meal # 2: 2 scoops whey in water 1 lg. baked potato
Meal # 3: 7 egg whites 2 whole eggs green peppers and onion (sautee`d in olive oil) 1/2 WW bagel (butter spray)
Meal # 4: 6 oz. chicken breast water
Meal # 5: 6 oz. chicken breast 1 apple water
Meal # 6: MRP in water
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Post by mrky03 on Dec 19, 2006 16:32:22 GMT -5
Keith has a way of just "hitting the nail on the head" does he not? Totally agree!
Tim, I'll bet you'll be in your best shape ever this year! When does the cardio start?
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Post by Tim Wescott on Dec 20, 2006 13:05:38 GMT -5
Wed. Dec. 20th.
Meal # 1: 1 scoop whey in water
Meal # 2: 2 scoops whey in water 1 lg. baked potato
Meal # 3: 10 egg whites 2 whole eggs green peppers and onion (sautee`d in olive oil) 1 WW bagel (butter spray & strawberry preserves.........less than 1 Tbsp.)
Meal # 4: 1 1/2 scoops whey in water
Meal # 5: 6 oz. chicken breast 1 cup green beans Crystal-Lite
Meal # 6: 6 oz. chicken breast Crystal-Lite
Snack: 2 rice cakes with PB & jelly water
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Post by Tim Wescott on Dec 21, 2006 13:40:04 GMT -5
Thurs. Dec. 21st.
Meal # 1: 1 scoop whey in water
Meal # 2: 2 scoops whey in water 1 lg. baked potato
Meal # 3: 10 egg whites 2 whole eggs green peppers and onion (sautee`d in olive oil) 1 large baked potato (butter spray)
Meal # 4: 2 scoops whey in water
Meal # 5: 5 whole eggs 12 oz. Crystal-Lite
Meal # 6: 6 oz. chicken breast Crystal-Lite
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Post by gman on Dec 21, 2006 14:13:08 GMT -5
You do have a very solid diet. Have you tried any of the blended protien powders? MRM has a blended protien that cost 14.00 for 2LB tub here in Ca.
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Post by Tim Wescott on Dec 21, 2006 20:29:20 GMT -5
Thanks Grant......just got a bunch of whey isolate today as a gift. Just cleaning things up a bit so far....I`ll get much stricter and eat much better as time goes on. Joel,my gym is closed next week,so I can only train 3 days ,but will still cover the whole body. I`ll be adding in 3 days of cardio the week after,gradually increasing the days to 5-6 depending on my condition. I`ll start with 3 days at 30 minutes. I`m going to do everything progressive,cardio,tighteneing up the diet,increasing water,training intensity(very littlerest between sets),and intensity techniques in the hopes that it will bring me to a new peaked condition. Sounds good anyway...............we`ll see!! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by mrbeefy on Dec 21, 2006 20:34:34 GMT -5
Looking good there Tim!
Do yo count your calories? Protein, carbs, etc?
Or just go with eating clean, see how you feel, and see how you look in the mirror?
I think I've been way too anal about this in the past, counting every little thing, instead of going with how I looked.
BUt the counting gives me a gauge, and keeps me disciplined to a number. Any thoughts on that?
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Post by RUBICON19 on Dec 21, 2006 22:02:06 GMT -5
Sounds like a VERY solid plan Tim.. I hope to do the same
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Post by Tim Wescott on Dec 22, 2006 7:46:17 GMT -5
Thanks Randy!!
Frank,I count macros,but presently,I`m just winging it keeping protein high,and carbs low to moderate with fairly low fat intake as well.
I`ll get a bit anal as I get more into the diet,trust me,you have to be as meticulous as possible so you know when,where,and why you are making adjustments.
I seldom count calories,but I do alter my eating as to how I look trying to change the way I look through food intake.
For instance,right now I am eating less overall food just to tighten up a bit and to lose a bit of fat/bloat in the waist area.............I always keep protein up there though to help retain muscle.
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Post by mrky03 on Dec 22, 2006 11:39:29 GMT -5
Thats a pretty tight diet, Tim. After you've dieted as many times as you have it just becomes second nature doesn't it?
I tend to just "wing it" and pay attention to my hunger signals and go by the way I'm looking. I may get more scientific about my approach this year however.
When I switched to whey isolate a few years ago I noticed a difference in my conditioning.
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Post by Tim Wescott on Dec 22, 2006 12:07:43 GMT -5
Thanks Joel..the best way to eat is according to how you want to look,but being a stickler for detail will definately help out.
I looked pretty good today in the gym,a lot thicker in some areas and my abs are much improved.
Once I swith it into overdrive next week,I`m gonna` be training like a man possessed.
No more mister nice guy stuff,I`m getting nasty!!
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Post by Tim Wescott on Dec 22, 2006 19:33:22 GMT -5
Fri. Dec. 22nd.
Meal # 1: 1 scoop whey in water
Meal # 2: 2 scoops whey in water 2 med. baked potatoes
Meal # 3: 7 egg whites 2 whole eggs 1 WW bagel (butter spray/jelly)
Meal # 4: 6 oz. chicken breast 2 cups egg noodles (plain with butter spray) Crystal-Lite
Meal # 5: 1 can tuna 1 Tbsp. mayo Crystal-Lite
Meal # 6: 1 can tuna 1 Tbsp. mayo Crystal-Lite
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Post by mrky03 on Dec 23, 2006 11:58:57 GMT -5
So will you for instance start out at a certain caloric intake and then decrease by a certain percentage every couple of weeks or as needed?
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Post by Tim Wescott on Dec 24, 2006 8:38:54 GMT -5
No,I will only count calories if at a plateau in cutting so that I can cut a certain amount from the weekly total..............I`d rather pay attention to macros.
This weekend,I`m relaxing the diet a bit since I`m not officially training for any certain contest yet.
I`ll be careful though and if I eat anything remotely bad,it won`t be a huge portion.
Joel,I`ll just eat bland,and Spartanlike with very low carb periods and lower calories,I won`t count the calories though,just less calorie dense foods overall.
Carb cycling will also be used as it works great for me....I`m "carb sensitive" in a big way.
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Post by RUBICON19 on Dec 24, 2006 14:29:08 GMT -5
I am carb sensitive too. When I don't get any, I CRY ![:'(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cry.png)
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Post by Tim Wescott on Dec 25, 2006 9:09:47 GMT -5
I am carb sensitive too. When I don't get any, I CRY ![:'(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cry.png) #bcrazylaugh4ua# #pizzasmiley4om#
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Post by mrky03 on Dec 25, 2006 22:32:20 GMT -5
Tim, that sounds pretty much the way I diet, if I just "stay hungry" while keeping the carbs low most of the time and protein high it seems to work well.
I just picking your brain to try to figure out how to get to that ultra shredded condition that I'm going to have to get to this year!
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